Alpha Software Mobile Development Tools:   Alpha Anywhere    |   Alpha TransForm subscribe to our YouTube Channel  Follow Us on LinkedIn  Follow Us on Twitter  Follow Us on Facebook

Announcement

Collapse

The Alpha Software Forum Participation Guidelines

The Alpha Software Forum is a free forum created for Alpha Software Developer Community to ask for help, exchange ideas, and share solutions. Alpha Software strives to create an environment where all members of the community can feel safe to participate. In order to ensure the Alpha Software Forum is a place where all feel welcome, forum participants are expected to behave as follows:
  • Be professional in your conduct
  • Be kind to others
  • Be constructive when giving feedback
  • Be open to new ideas and suggestions
  • Stay on topic


Be sure all comments and threads you post are respectful. Posts that contain any of the following content will be considered a violation of your agreement as a member of the Alpha Software Forum Community and will be moderated:
  • Spam.
  • Vulgar language.
  • Quotes from private conversations without permission, including pricing and other sales related discussions.
  • Personal attacks, insults, or subtle put-downs.
  • Harassment, bullying, threatening, mocking, shaming, or deriding anyone.
  • Sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, or otherwise discriminatory jokes and language.
  • Sexually explicit or violent material, links, or language.
  • Pirated, hacked, or copyright-infringing material.
  • Encouraging of others to engage in the above behaviors.


If a thread or post is found to contain any of the content outlined above, a moderator may choose to take one of the following actions:
  • Remove the Post or Thread - the content is removed from the forum.
  • Place the User in Moderation - all posts and new threads must be approved by a moderator before they are posted.
  • Temporarily Ban the User - user is banned from forum for a period of time.
  • Permanently Ban the User - user is permanently banned from the forum.


Moderators may also rename posts and threads if they are too generic or do not property reflect the content.

Moderators may move threads if they have been posted in the incorrect forum.

Threads/Posts questioning specific moderator decisions or actions (such as "why was a user banned?") are not allowed and will be removed.

The owners of Alpha Software Corporation (Forum Owner) reserve the right to remove, edit, move, or close any thread for any reason; or ban any forum member without notice, reason, or explanation.

Community members are encouraged to click the "Report Post" icon in the lower left of a given post if they feel the post is in violation of the rules. This will alert the Moderators to take a look.

Alpha Software Corporation may amend the guidelines from time to time and may also vary the procedures it sets out where appropriate in a particular case. Your agreement to comply with the guidelines will be deemed agreement to any changes to it.



Bonus TIPS for Successful Posting

Try a Search First
It is highly recommended that a Search be done on your topic before posting, as many questions have been answered in prior posts. As with any search engine, the shorter the search term, the more "hits" will be returned, but the more specific the search term is, the greater the relevance of those "hits". Searching for "table" might well return every message on the board while "tablesum" would greatly restrict the number of messages returned.

When you do post
First, make sure you are posting your question in the correct forum. For example, if you post an issue regarding Desktop applications on the Mobile & Browser Applications board , not only will your question not be seen by the appropriate audience, it may also be removed or relocated.

The more detail you provide about your problem or question, the more likely someone is to understand your request and be able to help. A sample database with a minimum of records (and its support files, zipped together) will make it much easier to diagnose issues with your application. Screen shots of error messages are especially helpful.

When explaining how to reproduce your problem, please be as detailed as possible. Describe every step, click-by-click and keypress-by-keypress. Otherwise when others try to duplicate your problem, they may do something slightly different and end up with different results.

A note about attachments
You may only attach one file to each message. Attachment file size is limited to 2MB. If you need to include several files, you may do so by zipping them into a single archive.

If you forgot to attach your files to your post, please do NOT create a new thread. Instead, reply to your original message and attach the file there.

When attaching screen shots, it is best to attach an image file (.BMP, .JPG, .GIF, .PNG, etc.) or a zip file of several images, as opposed to a Word document containing the screen shots. Because Word documents are prone to viruses, many message board users will not open your Word file, therefore limiting their ability to help you.

Similarly, if you are uploading a zipped archive, you should simply create a .ZIP file and not a self-extracting .EXE as many users will not run your EXE file.
See more
See less

Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

    Last Thursday, ATT.net and scbglobal.net stopped delivering our emails to their user users accounts (we are a SaaS app who caters to school PTA's and several of our customers said that none of these parents were receiving our messages). Mandrill showed all these emails as delivered and no bounce messages. After spending "many" hours researching spam lists,etc, as well as almost 4 hours on the phone with ATT and sbcglobal tech support on Monday, I decided to email Mandrill on Tuesday and ask for help. I have posted their reply below.

    The upshot is that their entire IP range was blocked by all ATT related email accounts from last Thursday until this Tuesday and they (Mandrill) did not notify users or disclose this information on their website. I subsequently emailed them and asked about future notifications in such a situation and they replied that an updated bounce processer will resolve the issue. I replied that it would not. It would correctly show that these emails had bounced but would not identify that the issue was at the Mandrill level and not with our account.

    Similarly, about a year ago we had a situation where Cablevision was bouncing 20% of our emails consistently. Didn't matter if a blast included 40 Cablevision related addresses or 200. It took me several months of emails and phone calls but finally was told that they throttle back all emails routed through Mandrill due to the amount of spam that comes through their service. Since I use a single outgoing email address, and dedicated IP, Cablevision moved my IP to a different spam filter pool and I haven't had a problem since.

    Not sure if a competing service like SendGrid would be any better but, since we send between 300,000 and 700,000 emails a month we are exploring other options.

    Just wanted to make sure the Alpha community was informed.

    Jay


    *************************************************************************************************************************
    Brett (Mandrill Support)
    Aug 25, 10:41 AM
    Hi Jay,

    Thanks for reaching out! Unfortunately, it looks as though ATT blocked our entire IP range last week - this isn't related to your delivery, specifically, nor to your Dedicated IP. Our Delivery and Compliance teams have been working with ATT since Wednesday - it seems as though this block was never intended, and ATT initially indicated that this would be removed over the weekend, but we're unfortunately still seeing rejected emails.

    We have an open dialogue with ATT and are working to get this block removed as soon as possible, but in the meantime we're receiving the following response when attempting to deliver emails to any ATT-affiliated domains (att.net, bellsouth.net, sbcglobal.net, etc):

    521 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx blocked by ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=att,dc=net Error - Blocked for abuse. Contact [email protected].

    As for the "Delivered" status - Whenever we send an email, we immediately mark it as "Delivered" in the Outbound Activity page. However, when you check on the status of this Delivery by clicking "Delivered," we will show no smtp events until we receive a response from the recipient server (and index that response, which normally can take several minutes). Once this happens, you'll be able to see the exact message that we received, as well as the time stamp and the IP addresses of the sending and receiving server.

    In general, our systems will process any Bounce Message and then report it to you in "Outbound Activity". However, our current bounce processor will occasionally come across a non-standard response (such as the one above) that it's unable to properly parse. In this case, our system will fail to acknowledge that message as a bounce, and will instead report "no smtp events" when you check on the status of that email. We're testing an upgraded bounce processor which should help to alleviate this issue.

    #2
    Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

    Sounds like a tough business to run and that they are dealing with it. I believe they will do what they can to block spammers - lord I hope so! Thanks for the heads up!
    NWCOPRO: Nuisance Wildlife Control Software My Application: http://www.nwcopro.com "Without forgetting, we would have no memory at all...now what was I saying?"

    Comment


      #3
      Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

      Why ANYBODY would use Mandrill. It you read the license agreement it is suitable just for spammers.

      Comment


        #4
        Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

        Originally posted by kkfin View Post
        Why ANYBODY would use Mandrill. It you read the license agreement it is suitable just for spammers.
        Why ANYBODY would post something unhelpful

        Comment


          #5
          Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

          Thanks for the posting - I use Mandrill, too, for some clients. But have not heard of any blocks.
          Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
          972 524 8714
          [email protected]

          ____________________
          "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

          Comment


            #6
            Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

            Ken, might I ask what you use for your bulk emailing?

            Comment


              #7
              Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

              It is better to use company that gets money from sending your emails and not to use a company that gets money from analyzing your and your customers data and then selling result forward. ( I use Mad Mimi.)

              Comment


                #8
                Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                Yes but this is a newsletter marketing service where you "upload contacts". We are a SaaS app and manage our own database of emails. We cannot "upload" a list each time one of our users wants to send a blast.

                Comment


                  #9
                  Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                  Well I suppose you "upload" a list to Mandrill also so why not to Mad Mimi. They also have to know where to send emails.... Here is developers wiki

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                    Based on their pricing page it appears it would cost me about $1,000 per month versus the $150 I am now spending. While deliverability is more important to me than price, this is a bit too large of a gap.

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                      With Mandrill, I DO NOT upload a list of customers - I send emails to customers based on an xbasic script that selects them. I have been using Mandrill for 3 or more years - never any issues.

                      PS: since they charge ZERO for less than 12,000 emails per month, it has NEVER COST US A CENT!!!
                      Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                      972 524 8714
                      [email protected]

                      ____________________
                      "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                        Originally posted by imjoken View Post
                        Based on their pricing page it appears it would cost me about $1,000 per month versus the $150 I am now spending. While deliverability is more important to me than price, this is a bit too large of a gap.
                        150 vs 1000. Why the price cap? Infact you sell your emaildata to Mandrill. There is the difference. Mandrill gets income from your data. And you still want to pay 150 to Mandrill. Deliverability is same. If data privacy do not matter Mandrill is available.

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                          Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                          With Mandrill, I DO NOT upload a list of customers - I send emails to customers based on an xbasic script that selects them. I have been using Mandrill for 3 or more years - never any issues.

                          PS: since they charge ZERO for less than 12,000 emails per month, it has NEVER COST US A CENT!!!
                          I do no see the difference. All your emails go through Mandrill just like in Mad Mimi. But because Mad Mimi pricing model is per contact and not per email you have to have contact lists. (You handle the contact lists with api .)

                          If your really thing this I do not see any problems with this. In contrast this is a good thing. It makes you keep your email contacts up to date and makes Mad Mimi very poor choice for spammers. Others Mad Mimi customers are also happy.

                          And when your client/customer ask what you do to my emaildata privacy you do not have to say : "I sell all my emaildata to Mandrill and I save 199 per month (50000 contacts unlimited emails). Good deal!"

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                            Hi Jay,

                            I use both SendGrid and my own mail server run by Zebrahost. You will run into similar issues with SendGrid I think even if you use a dedicated IP. I get a lot of complaints from my users who say that their emails get sent to their client's spam folder even though I have a dedicated IP. I just provide SendGrid as an option so they can send it form their own email. Some parts of the country seem to work better.

                            For my own mail server I send all outgoing mail from a single email address.(you don't have the option of adding a different reply to). But I get pretty much 100 percent deliverability. Of course I also have to deal with running the mail server and none of the bells and whistles you get with Mandrill like an API to get a list of bounces. And I don't have anywhere near the volume that you do.

                            So I don't think you would find greener pastures with SendGrid, at least based on my own experiences.....

                            On a more personal note, getting emails delivered is such headache these days, spammers have really screwed it up for legitimate email traffic!

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Re: Mandrill deliverability issue (heads up for anyone using Mandrill)

                              Originally posted by ssmoore1 View Post
                              On a more personal note, getting emails delivered is such headache these days, spammers have really screwed it up for legitimate email traffic!
                              While I agree with you 100% there is another culpable party to this. The ignorant people who click on the links and support the spam. If there were no spam users there would be no spam.
                              Win 10 64 Development, Win 7 64 WAS 11-1, 2, Win 10 64 AA-1,2, MySql, dbForge Studio The Best MySQL GUI Tool IMHO. http://www.devart.com/dbforge/mysql/studio/

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X