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    #16
    Re: Runtime size comparison

    Originally posted by dchiass View Post
    so true and companies need to make a profit to stay in business. But alpha from a marketing standpoint they should look at how their software is priced. What about a price for desktops ONLY?
    From Alphas (new) website Desktop has zero role. You do not find it anymore.

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      #17
      Re: Runtime size comparison

      You can buy desktop with runtime included for $499 just ask!
      Last edited by user10; 05-28-2016, 05:46 AM.

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        #18
        Re: Runtime size comparison

        6 months ago it was $349, 1 month ago it was $499 - seems like negotiations might be possible! And it includes web components on the desktop too.
        Robin

        Discernment is not needed in things that differ, but in those things that appear to be the same. - Miles Sanford

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          #19
          Re: Runtime size comparison

          We have the development, runtime & web packages of Alpha Anywhere v12.

          Here is the runtime details:
          version - 12.3 Build 2999
          System Add Ins - Build 4519
          Approx size around - 476 MB

          My programmer said it was time to install the latest runtime patch:
          version - 12.4.1 Build 3622
          System Add Ins - Build 4676
          Approx size around - 842 MB

          The runtime patch increased its size by 360 MB.....boy is that bloating & getting large.

          Why the HUGE increase in size?

          One other point, when we tried to install our upgrade.exe on our existing application using the new runtime (the 842 MB) we get an error message. Bottomline, the upgrade bombs & stops. See attached pic. The previous v12 runtime, works perfectly with the upgrade.exe
          Attached Files

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            #20
            Re: Runtime size comparison

            Maybe Lenny will join the conversation. He doesn't like people posting adverse or critical comments so he may have a solution.
            Suggest you go back to the previous release.
            It would be better for everyone if the DT and Web were separated and sold independently. Problem might be that the package is so interlinked that to do so is difficult. Also, the DT side cannt be controlled regarding Subscriptions that easily, so no revenue. However, in the past, annual or bi-annual upgrades - decent ones, not cosmetics - made sure I always bought the latest version.
            Given that there is little benefit for DT users to go V12, quite the opposite in fact, staying with V11 is probably a better bet.
            Last edited by Ted Giles; 10-17-2016, 03:36 AM.
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              #21
              Re: Runtime size comparison

              This is jus a guess but I assume they have added nodejs also to runtime which is in fact a good thing and a big step forward in Alphas desktop. No limits what you can do now.

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                #22
                Re: Runtime size comparison

                Originally posted by Ted Giles View Post
                Maybe Lenny will join the conversation. He doesn't like people posting adverse or critical comments so he may have a solution.
                Suggest you go back to the previous release.
                It would be better for everyone if the DT and Web were separated and sold independently. Problem might be that the package is so interlinked that to do so is difficult. Also, the DT side cannt be controlled regarding Subscriptions that easily, so no revenue. However, in the past, annual or bi-annual upgrades - decent ones, not cosmetics - made sure I always bought the latest version.
                Given that there is little benefit for DT users to go V12, quite the opposite in fact, staying with V11 is probably a better bet.
                Your reply has confused me. You infer that my OP was "....He doesn't like people posting adverse or critical comments"

                How so? My apologies if anybody thought so.

                Saying I am having a problem installing the runtime with the latest patch? And a concern of how big it is getting is a fact. I always thought a forum was for the discussion of problems & their solutions and things that happen while installing, running or using Alpha Software?

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                  #23
                  Re: Runtime size comparison

                  Node JS seems to be about 148M by itself
                  Dave Mason
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                  Skype is dave.mason46

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                    #24
                    Re: Runtime size comparison

                    And in Developers node-module folder there is 772 license files to read (3,35 mb) :)

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                      #25
                      Re: Runtime size comparison

                      Originally posted by DaveM View Post
                      Node JS seems to be about 148M by itself
                      Dave, if we have NO intention to go mobile can these be deleted from our install exe? But we do have a "few" customers that are using our app on the internet tied back to our desktop app.

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                        #26
                        Re: Runtime size comparison

                        Originally posted by dchiass View Post
                        Dave, if we have NO intention to go mobile can these be deleted from our install exe? But we do have a "few" customers that are using our app on the internet tied back to our desktop app.
                        Nodejs is not for mobile it will not work. It is for desktop and you can also create servers which connect to internet or not

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                          #27
                          Re: Runtime size comparison

                          Your reply has confused me. You infer that my OP was "....He doesn't like people posting adverse or critical comments"

                          How so? My apologies if anybody thought so.
                          Dewayne,

                          I don't think Ted meant that you were being "critical". But it sounds like he thinks Lenny would see that as being "critical". But that's just one person's opinion.
                          Peter
                          AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                            #28
                            Re: Runtime size comparison

                            Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                            Dewayne,

                            I don't think Ted meant that you were being "critical". But it sounds like he thinks Lenny would see that as being "critical". But that's just one person's opinion.
                            Correct Peter.
                            I noticed that Lenny jumped in very quickly regarding my comments on Hot Fixes, but he's gone a bit quiet on this topic.
                            Maybe he has no input or explanation he wishes to share, but I would be helpful if people knew why things are bloating.
                            I've inadvertently added much more that was necessary to a Web App only yesterday and had to backtrack. Hope Alpha haven't added unnecessary baggage.
                            See our Hybrid Option here;
                            https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                            Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                            You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                              #29
                              Re: Runtime size comparison

                              OK, maybe Lenny can advise what we can remove without affecting our desktop application. NO criticism given or inferred.

                              I had to look at my initial post & revise it, the runtime on 10.5 was around 161 MB & Alpha Anywhere v12 with latest path close to 870 MB. My OP asked what parts can I remove without affecting my desktop application.

                              BTW, what features does Node JS ADD in a desktop application? We are fixed on what features we have now in our application.

                              Great group. Thanks for the help.

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                                #30
                                Re: Runtime size comparison

                                Originally posted by dchiass View Post
                                BTW, what features does Node JS ADD in a desktop application?
                                It does not add anything automatically. It's up to you do you want to use it.

                                But lets say your application needs Stocks information and you want to use Google Stocks Api. Current way seems to be starting to learn Google Stocks Api and bring it to xbasic. BIG JOB if even possible.

                                On the other hand you could use already written node-module (check here) and write a simple xbasic function which calls node-service javascript file and gets result from this google-stocks node-module back to xbasic. No need to learn Google Stocks Api. 2 hours work.

                                Seems to me that you desktop guys do not yet understand what kind of piece of gold Selwyn has bring to you. You can make money with nodejs.
                                Last edited by kkfin; 10-18-2016, 12:16 PM. Reason: link

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