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    #31
    Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

    For what it's worth, the following verbiage was added to the Pre-Release Notes page within the last day:

    IMPORTANT: The pre-release builds are only available to customers with a valid Alpha Anywhere subscription. If your subscription has expired you will not be able to use the pre-release build.

    If your subscription is valid and you download and use the pre-release build please keep in mind that if you do not renew your subscription after it expires your edibility to use pre-release builds will end.
    -Roger

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      #32
      Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

      What is different about the Office subscription (I think) is that what you created in Word, for example, can still be printed after the subscription expires. You just can't edit the document any more.

      As I read what Pete posted, it sounds like the Runtime(If still distributed) and AWS stop functioning completely after the subscription expires.

      I think limiting the Developer by subscription is explainable, but trying to tell a client they have to pay for a web application, and pay forever for the use of that site is a tough sell for a developer. Yes, they would be eligible for the AS updates, but if the web app is 'Done', the updates have no meaning to the developer's client.

      I wish AS the best, but I couldn't convince anyone that was a good deal...

      Regardless, I hope AS clarifies their policy to their potential consumer's. Otherwise, every customer that let's their subscription expire leave's with a bad taste in their mouths.

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        #33
        Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

        Originally posted by peteconway View Post
        Well - as I said, I only deal with clients that understand they pay the required licenses, I've come to undertand just how expensive it must be to run an entity like Alpha, and the terms are the terms - As a developer I'm happy with the service provided and the advances coming through. Fact is if they aren't funded - they don't continue, and that's not good. So everyone needs to adjust to the process by re-thinking their model, as I have done, it will help you.
        Cheers Pete.
        You got the point. Now it is all about trust. I hope the Alphas customer base is strong enough.

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          #34
          Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

          Guys:

          The software continues to work after your license expires. I am using some expired licenses myself - they work fine.

          It only stops working if you are using a pre-release patch instead of one of the approved patches or if you try to install a patch that is later than your expiration date.

          So long as your release date is prior to your expiration date and it is an approved patch, your software will continue to work.

          Yes - Alpha could spell that out better.

          And also, you can renew your license for other products on a Sunday at 10pm if necessary - while you can't with Alpha. There is stuff they need to work on.

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            #35
            Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

            Larry:

            It sounds like you are a "Legacy" customer. At this point, I and many here are.

            If you read Pete's quote from Selwyn, they are no longer selling that subscription model...

            So, I think the concern here is "What happens to "Legacy" customers down the road when I write a new web app and need a new AWS license.

            Another concern is can AS survive with a model that is so expensive? Certainly, none of my customers would hesitate to look elsewhere even if the end product was less than what can be created in Alpha, but a lot cheaper.

            And, of course, there's the never ending nagging question "What if AS, or it's servers, collapse after I have spent years developing an my own resellable app?"

            In the end, AS determines what steps it needs to take to survive. I just hope it works out well for all.

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              #36
              Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

              I have trouble believing that Alpha distinguishes between Legacy and non-legacy customers in terms of what subscriptions get shut down and what do not when a license expires.

              And if you read what it says in the pre-release notes now, you will realize that it wouldn't be necessary to add that verbiage if they shut you down when the subscription expires, because they would shut you down whether you had a pre-release or not.

              The end of the subscription ends your ability to get updates. And in today's world, having a working app on an old version of software will only get you by for so long. Eventually, an update to windows will come along or a security flaw will be found and you'll need to update your software. Better to just stay current in the first place.

              Anything else is just eventual suicide, no matter who's software you are using.

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                #37
                Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                "I think the real issue here is that we expect customers to have a valid subscription at all times.

                For historical reasons, the legacy customer base (i.e. customers who were v11 users before V12 came out) have a special type of subscription that allows them to continue using the product after their subscription end (but limits them to the last official build that was available at the time their subscription ran out)

                we no longer sell these types of subscriptions anymore.

                we only sell 'true' subscriptions which means you must have a valid subscription at all times in order to use Alpha Anywhere."

                -Selwyn



                Larry:

                Just going by what the big guy says... He is saying There IS a difference between their old customer base, and the new one on how the subscription plays out.. He is also saying that the software is now being rented (For lack of a more accurate term...)

                It is what it is. I hope it works out well for them.

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                  #38
                  Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                  Well then, if you need a new subscription - give me a call!

                  I'll get you a legacy one for a small fee. Problem solved!

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                    #39
                    Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                    In fact it old news u can see for a long time what the roadmap is for A5 incl. priceing. In fact how Selwyn response is the question is is there still room for middle size customers seems tobe pending on (old) customer developers focus has been set on enterprise i think it a long term vision but partly i understand they made huge investment and too see their money.
                    A5 now has 3 types of lics, question is will work, i am not sure but it is there business and u have a choice of your own to make agree of bail out.
                    In my case i had i client running odata as standard for Phd and patient portal iaw mental healthcare incl. mobile , i have no idea what the price would be seems u have too ask sales but fairly mostly beyond the customer budget that is too say .

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                      #40
                      Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                      Larry:

                      Thanks for the offer, even if you are kidding a little.

                      As Eric seems to be saying, the cost is likely to compromise the percentage of small business clients any of us can get.

                      My concerns aside, I hope Alpha does well. I'm sure everything will be fine once we all embrace the concept of the licensing... It's just hard to wrap my head around the cost.

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                        #41
                        Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                        Craig the the question is none of us have an direct answer time will tell. As i see it merly enterprise custumers is a risk and big step towards, u have to be sure that is the right path. For myself i know the more SMB companies then fortune 500, so not all agree with A5 vision and priceing it and old debat. For sure as i mentioned the new "true" subscription model has a risk and change policy time by time. I think many develpers don't like it because it will reduce market opertunties u can't sell software with a MUST for long term every year u MUST pay else we take your business down, some will accept that others won't, to end most developers will be held responsible by law in countries because they sell the app server together with there product. So if the WAS/IIS server goes down u better have a good law man site by site. m2p.

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                          #42
                          Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                          I currently purchase(and sell) software or subscribe to software from around the world. That includes France, Germany, England, Italy, Vietnam, USA, Brazil, China, India, and on and on.

                          None of them shut the use of the product off if not renewed. They do stop support, updates and sometimes their forum usage but it stops right there.

                          These software products include some for Joomla and add-ons, as well as major development products for desktop and/or web apps.

                          To shut off an end client's access to their data for a developer's subscription is unthinkable to me, but I may be alone in my thoughts.
                          Dave Mason
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                            #43
                            Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                            Originally posted by DaveM View Post
                            I currently purchase(and sell) software or subscribe to software from around the world. That includes France, Germany, England, Italy, Vietnam, USA, Brazil, China, India, and on and on.

                            None of them shut the use of the product off if not renewed. They do stop support, updates and sometimes their forum usage but it stops right there.

                            These software products include some for Joomla and add-ons, as well as major development products for desktop and/or web apps.

                            To shut off an end client's access to their data for a developer's subscription is unthinkable to me, but I may be alone in my thoughts.
                            Adobe has started doing this with their products ie) Photoshop, now you can only subscribe and if you stop the subscription, the software quits!
                            Alpha Anywhere v12.4.6.5.2 Build 8867-5691 IIS v10.0 on Windows Server 2019 Std in Hyper-V

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                              #44
                              Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                              completly wird behavior no other words

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                                #45
                                Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                                Originally posted by iRadiate View Post
                                Adobe has started doing this with their products ie) Photoshop, now you can only subscribe and if you stop the subscription, the software quits!
                                Photoshop is for artist developers. Images and pictures or animations made with Photoshop will not disappear anywhere if your subscription of Photoshop ends. So totally different story than with Alpha

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