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    Dear Mr. Rabbins

    A number of years ago we had a dynamic discussion on this forum about switching from A4 to A5 (we all know you are pushing A5). You have to remember Mr Rabbins that a great number of us supported A4 all of these years. That simply means we supported and built your company. We spent many hours and learned the A4 system that you advertised was the best thing since sliced bread. We have to tell you, alot of us do not wish to spend (nor have the time to spend) on learning another database concept. We have businesses to run.

    I contacted your company years ago on an unrelated matter and ended up speaking to you personally by phone. I aired my concerns and asked you if it was possible to make a "Windows" product and have the same A4 structure (same names, field rules etc). In other words a seamless transfer from dos to windows. We discussed that this would solve a multitude of problems like using all windows printers; being able to fax from within the program; 1000 fields per database; fixing screen problems etc etc etc.

    Lets face it. For most of the businesses using A4, that's all we really need.

    ** You said that this COULD be done. **

    What would it take for your staff to make this happen? In my mind it would be worth it. Here we are years later and A4 users are still talking about screen problems... colour problems and the list goes on. These problems have not been addressed yet, and I hear there is another replacement for windows XP coming down the pipe. What then?

    Think of all of the A4 users out there switching over ... think of the years of upgrades.

    I (like most others have supported A4) since v2. To have to learn another concept at this point in our business lives does not make any sense.

    I invite other A4 users to comment. Maybe Alpha will respond and make this happen.



    Rick Sloan,
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    P.S. I wrote this for another topic (Screen prolems) but felt this should be discussed on its own. Maybe Alpha will pay more attention this way.







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    Mr Rabins.

    I received an E-mail with the correct spelling of your name (I had it spelled Rabbins). No insult was meant (you should hear what I get sometime). My message remains the same.

    I have to tell you though, I am somewhat disappointed that other A4 users have not commented on this issue.

    If enough members voiced their opinions something may be done.

    Thank you

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    Rick:

    Although I use Alpha 4, both versions 6.x and V7.x, and I could use the fax features of V8, I have become disappointed in Alpha's unwillingness or inability to produce a DOS based version that can be set up for full screen or predictable colors under Windows XP. Because I have an old computer that is too old and too slow to install anything beyond WIN98SE, it is my dedicated Alpha machine. Version 7 as well as a couple of other older DOS programs run fine under WIN98SE.

    I copied the program to my XP machine and have since removed it because despite trying nearly ever suggestion posted on this Board, I could not make it work properly. Although I purchased Alpha5 both versions 4.5 and 5, I really don't have the time to invest just to rewrite a couple of relatively simple applications to run under Alpha5.

    What I really would like Alpha to do is make the program run properly under the newer operating systems. I really don't want any more bells and whistles.

    Al Palmer

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    Thank For the comment Allen.

    I did that very same thing...have a dedicated computer for A4. I had to switch to XP, because I am tied to the office through the internet and, of course, I have the same problems that are mentioned on a daily basis on this forum.

    One thing I have noticed that is really alarming, HP seems to be phasing out the Dos (PCL) language from their printers. A year or so back, my office picked up a number of HP 1200 and 1220 series printers. They work great and are capable of using the PCL. Problem here? Some day these printers will wear out and have to be replaced.

    The replacement series for this printer is the "1300 series". It does not include the PCL language anymore. The change from the 1200 series and 1300 series was a little more than a year.

    We can keep using Win 98 (which I did for years) but you cannot stop the hardware problem.

    We have to get ALPHA upgrade A4 to at least allow us to print in the "typeset mode" using all windows printers.

    This may or may not be able to be done in a Dos based A4.

    The transfer to a windows based A4 would make it all possible, and should correct all of the other problems to boot.

    If alpha is not willing to write a windows based A4...then at least fix the windows printing problems in the typeset mode.

    My program is the core of my business. I spent many years writing and re-writing the thing until it fit what I needed. I simply cannot take the time to transfer it all to A5. There is a huge learning curve there (and yes I purchased A5v2 and A5v5 to try). It is not that I am not capable of doing it, its that it would take years to do it.

    Mr Rabins, could you at least advise us (A4 users) if it is possible to correct the printing problem (typeset mode)?

    If there is no way, I would appreciate knowing so my company can purchase and store enough HP printers for the future.

    I think a complete and candid answer is the least we can expect from you.

    Rick Sloan

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    Rick,

    Last year I had a brief exchange of e-mails with Selwyn when I asked the same question you are asking. I'm sure he won't mind me passing his response to you.

    His reply was that they had toyed around with working on an Alpha 4 version 9, which would be a true Win32S product and would therefore not need the DOS Extender. This would work fully with all Windows printers, even in Typeset Mode. But Selwyn simply wasn't sure it was worth their while to do it.
    I can understand his thinking - he has to weigh the development costs against the likely sales numbers.
    In addition, he has such a great product with Alpha 5 that it makes sense for him to devote his team to developing it further, rather than keep patching Alpha 4. In short, (my words, not Selwyn's), it all comes down to money and resources.

    But I for one could sure use A4v9!

    Maybe if enough users expressed real solid interest, Selwyn just might reconsider it?

    Paul

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    Thanks for the info Paul

    I am sure he knows there alot of A4 users out there that would jump at the chance to switch over to a windows A4. In my mind he would have the best of both worlds.

    I for one, would pay for the ability to switch to a windows A4. I would pay more for this ability than what he is charging for A5 right now. Although it would be a balancing act, for me not having to rewrite a whole new program the extra cost would be worth it. Then, over time and many $upgrades $, we would all learn the windows jargon and take advantage of the full blown $ A5 $. My goodness, I bought into every upgrade there was from A4v2 up to and including A4v8. That's some "chunk a change" we're talking about considering there seemed to be more than one upgrade a year....and I'm not the only one.

    In my mind, this was the way A4 should have transformed into A5 in the first place. At that time, not only did he have all of the A4 users to transfer across, but all of the other "Small Busines" Dos based DBF programs would have jumped at the chance to transfer and sneak across painlessly to windows while keeping their same structure etc.

    I am sure there are alot of companies out there that are just like us. They are still using the DBF format because they don't have the time nor is it worth it monetarily (and time is money in business) to switch to windows and start from scratch. If they had the oportunity to take their DBF format, transfer it across and seamlessly make it windows they would jump at the chance. Then there would be potentially many many more long term Alpha windows users.

    Mr Rabins, I feel it would be a good business decision. However, if you are not going to upgrade A4 please let us know.

    I think it is only fair to the people who bought into your product and vision for all of these years.

    Rick Sloan


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    In my case, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard-place. I started with A4, learned it pretty well, developed the system for my business using it, and it's worked great for me since '96. I had more time back then to work on developing. I've recognized the need to get over to windows, because dos is dead, and have toyed with A5V3, V4, V4.5, and V5. To me, A5V3 and A5V4 were no real alternative to A4. However, A5V5+ is becoming very powerful and user friendly. I just don't have the time to devote to making the complete transition from A4 to A5 though.

    In my case, I already know A4 relatively well. So if Alpha were to release an A4V9 that was a true windows product, it would be a likely transition for me because of my limited available time (and knowledge) to get things going completely over to A5. I would guess there are others in this boat too. I would also hope that if an A4V9 were released that there would be improvements and additions to the product.

    One thing about A4 that I prefer over A5 are the forms and reports. We don't need them to look pretty. They're just used to pump data in and out. Nothing special needed. The mono spaced forms work fine for us and the lack of a million adjustments to each fields appearance works just as well for me.

    Mike

    Wouldn't it be funny if Alpha had the TWO best windows databases on the market in A4 and A5?!?!


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    """Wouldn't it be funny if Alpha had the TWO best windows databases on the market in A4 and A5?!?!"""

    One thing I learned in business over the years: the best way to stay "Number One" is to be "Number Two" as well!

    Paul

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    I agree to a certain point with the reports Mike. However, the reports I have, use calculated fields etc, and look almost if not as good as any type set mode letter when you add your company logo etc. It's certainly all I'll need.

    I do use certain "standard" print reports for internal use and accounting use, but the "standard mode" print went out with the manual typewriter.

    One of the improvements I could ask for is to increase the number of reports allowed per set. We could always use more of them.

    If Mr. Rabins could make A4 a true 32 bit product so we could use all types of windows printers, I would be more than happy.

    Its not just for we A4 users. Just off the top of my head, I personally know of 3 companies that use dos programs. They would jump at the chance of protecting their future with the programs they have. A4 could easily capture their dbf's. All they would have to do with my help, is change a couple of reports etc, and there you have it.

    As I said earlier there are alot more companies still using dos than some people would think.

    Rick Sloan

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    Rick,
    I am in the same boat. My data is now around 100MGb and goes back to '92, but I didn't trust V7 so I continued with V6.2.

    It would be surprising if Selwyn did anything more as when I tackled him about leaving A5V5 with bugs in, he just mentioned that V6 had eliminated them.

    I recently bought a new PC with XP home on and had somebody take it off and ghost my old drive (W98) onto to the new drive. It works well enough with the only hiccup of my old WP4.2 not being able to list (mostimes) the files. However, I can see them on another computer on the network so upto now I am operating without much of a problem.

    My only critiism of A4V6 has been the "pain in the arse" of creating reports to look nice, but I haven't had to do that for a long time so for now my only problem is fretting over how much it would take to revamp to A5V5, a copy of which which I have. However, I have been fretting over that since A5V3. Every time I try something I get stopped with a bug and then leave it for several months and it means starting over again.

    Well, I feel better now but that doesn't help you.

    Steve

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    Thanks for the comment Steve

    How about an answer Selwyn ?

    Going to do more for A4 ???



    Rick (on behalf of others using A4)

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    Rick,
    I have read all the replys and I have to agree with everyone. I learned A4 in 1994 when I had to move a non-profit company I run from DC to Illinois. The Mac data base was impossible to use so I had to learn A4 from scratch and develop applications, forms, scripts, letters and reports. When A5 came out we purchased it right away, thinking that we would be able to convert from A4. Well as you all know no such luck. Before they came out with A4V7 we hired a A5 consultant to convert and move us to the windows based version. After he looked at our scripts, functions and conditional letters, plus what we needed the database to do, he said we were better off staying with A4V6. The problem we have now is we are running out of space (255 Characters)for conditional expressions in the field rule advanced DB area. Soon we will have too many variables to use the conditional statements that we rely on everyday.
    So if Alpha Software will develop a A4V9 for Windows we will be on board as soon as it comes out. We also own both A4 and A5, I have tried to teach myself A5 but it is a different animal.
    Thanks
    Stephen Wilde
    PS: we have all WinXP Pro computers now and other then the screen colors, printing and once and awhile just plain will not sort or query correctly, we have survived the change. BUT WE NEED A NEW VERSION FOR WINDOWS!!

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    I gotta tell you all.....

    I've purchased every product Alpha has offered since Ver 2 [early 80's, I think] and have sold several of my apps out there.

    I had A5 version 1 forever; tried many times to get it and each of its successors to perform like A4 and to no avail. I'd start writing in one; hit the wall and then put it back. The same with all of the subsequent Windows versions [ just bought V6]. You're all forgetting, as I did, that we had a learning curve with A4 and for me at least it was quite steep. Funny thing, I found that all the methods we used in A4 are available in A5 -TEN FOLD!

    Remember the Alpha Forum monthly subscription was the ONLY help we could get during those A4 development years. Looking back, I longed for someone to talk to or get help from when I 'hit the wall' in A4.

    I decided to learn A5 no matter what!

    The frosting was that one of my DOS clients WANTED A WINDOWS VERSION and was willing to Pay ME 3000.00 to write it over. Several of you said that the application was written by you and for your use only. Let me asure you that your time and money spent learning and updating will come back 10 fold in added features you'll install, once you see how easy it is and how much HELP YOU CAN GET along the way.

    So get those A5 apps out - try something - hit the wall - and then post a question on one of the forums. Many times I got an answer in minutes from this wonderful community of fellows with similar problems and histories. They've been 'in the curve' and could not be more helpful or unselfish if they tried.

    Gone are all the screen size and color problems - all of the Printer problems - unexplained 'granular crashes' - sharing configuration - and the list goes on and on and on.

    Just my 2 cents. DOS is an old horse - put him out to pasture.

    Ken

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    Thanks Ken But No Thanks

    I purchased A5. It is not as easy as they say to switch over and learn. Lets call a spade a shovel.

    I wish I could get back the money I spent on A5 (and I have purchased more than one version). We are not talking small change here. We are talking hundreds of dollars for each version.

    It is obvious Ken, you have the time and motivational reason to learn the A5 program ... you sell programs and make money from them. That's great. It is your business to learn A5. If that was my business I would learn too.

    I don't have the time, and it appears the rest of the writers don't either. Do you not even read what we are writing about?

    We are trying to make a better situation for A4 users. We don't need this raw raw A5's great stuff. If you like A5 and had the time to learn it, great. Don't try and sell A5 to me ... it won't work. It was a waste of my money.

    All we A4 users want, is to have the program Selwyn Rabins sold us for years print to a "windows" printer. Work with a full screen. Have screen colours that actually work, etc, etc, ... and oh did I mention print to a "windows" printer?

    You're peeing up the wrong tree.

    I am still waiting for an answer from Mr. Rabins.

    Here's one for you...consider the money we A4 users have spent on A5 (a product we are not using and simply collecting dust) as a deposit on developing A4v9. That should cover some of the production costs.

    Rick Sloan

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    Rick

    I understand what you are asking for. But given the lack of volume of replies that you have generated in the 2 weeks this thread has existed, you may be proving the point that A4 in windows isn't a good idea.

    A4v7 and A4v8 do work in the win 32 environment, although with some issues that could work better, but have work arounds.

    I think of the Unix users that need a print manager to get text only print out into the GUI world by using a different program like FORMSCAPE. And it's expensive. 4 to 6 digits for a license. But it works.

    As an outsider, (I am certainly not in the decision making capability for Alpha), I would think you need to make a stronger business case for another product.

    Change is part of this business. Minimal change is handy is some ways, but limiting in others. Talk to the Hewlett-Packard 3000 model mini computer users. The whole machine and operating system is defunct.

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    Al,

    Yes, most of us have got A4v8 to work (mostly) satisfactorily on our Win32 OS's, and we stick with it because we know it, we like it, and we don't have time to learn Alpha 5, despite its admitted advantages. Many of us (including me) have bought Alpha 5 but were daunted by the learning curve. I for one am not a professional programmer. I'm just too busy running the business to find the time to switch. That's a real shame, but if I took enough time out to learn Alpha 5 and then convert my rather large app, the world would just pass me by. I simply can't justify it right now.

    ""A4v7 and A4v8 do work in the win 32 environment, although with some issues that could work better, but have work arounds.""

    What's the work around for the single most popular request that many of us would like to see - Typeset printing to Windows printers? That feature alone would be so useful.

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    Paul

    The print manager I mentioned for unix people works in windows.

    It's one of many on the market.

    You map your report and it translates it into their gui environment - among other things.

    To alpha it's a print queue.

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    I doubt that anyone here could afford to pay Formscape's price, let alone even begin to justify it, but I take your point - that it is technically possible.

    I'll bet there's *someone* out there who could write an add-on to enable typeset printing to Windows printers...

    Paul

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    Ken,

    There may be a significant difference between you and me. You are a developer and obviously have the time to develop.

    A4 was sold as an "end user" simple database. Thats me. I don't want to develop databases. I want to use all the simple tricks that A4 has to offer.

    If you look at A5 they are holding a DEVOLOPERS conference. This is the crux of the issue. Selwyn lives in his own world of software development and preachers to his like. He has forgotten his roots. Yhe product is NO LONGER an intuitive learn yourself DB. We are in a different market from you and Selwyn doesn't want to return to this.

    Steve

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    Steve, thanks for your comment.

    In your very short statement, you have packaged up exactly what we A4 users have been trying to say all along.

    In your very short statement, you have given a reason...and, in my mind, an economically justifiable reason for moving A4 into the windows realm. It is so simple. It was Selwyn's "vision" of A4 I talked about earlier in this thread.

    There are alot more of "us" (lay persons) out there who need the simple tricks of an A4, than there are programmers who need the power of an A5.

    Selwyn can capture his roots again and have the best of both worlds ... the simple tricks of an A4 for "We The People" and the more powerful and more complicated A5 for programmers.

    You hit the nail SMACK on.

    Regards,

    Rick

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    Steve:

    The key word in your reply is "intuitive". Neither Alpha 5 nor any of the Windows-based database managers I've tried to use are that. Alpha Four should be the dictionary's example of what that word means.

    Howard R. Elkes

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    Re: Developers; if you develope apps for your business, I have to say that you are a developer. I once did not think of myself that way, but somebody put the above to me and I could not argue with them - I develope apps and thus, am a developer.

    Re: V5 Conference; If I am not mistaken, they have a variety of offerings at V5's conferences, including those for beginners.

    Re: Alpha Five not inuitive; Well, I'm not saying it IS intuitive, but since A5 can do most or all things easily that I found attractive about A4, I guess I am saying it's as intuitive as A4. The learning curve can't be any more difficult that the curve I experienced with A4 in the beginning. Forms & reports are a breeze. Field rules are there and then some, and they are as good if not better that A4's and have the same terminology. Buttons are a snap. It's a cinch to add a button to a form that prints a report based current record -or- predetermined filter, and much more.

    After thinking about the above, the only thing keeping me from A5 is the amount of time to make the transition because at this point in time, A5V6 can do all I need, and more. I'd be more productive if I could make the time to make the change. In thinking...it's the time issue. It'd be easy for me to stay with the status quo if there was a A4V9 with some improvements because of the time that I would NOT spending transitioning to A5V6. It is quite a quandary for me.

    Re: Reporting Output from A4; I've heard of something called Crystal Reports. I know nothing about it, but I wonder if it would allow the needed output to windows printers???

    Mike

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    Sorry Mike,

    I looked at both, and A4 is head and shoulders above A5.

    How about an answer Selwyn.

    Rick

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    Rick

    May I quote an excellent point you made on the Alpha message board 3 years ago:

    "On the business side, Alpha is in a unique situation. They have a guaranteed market share right from the get-go. As soon as the A4 windoz version is marketed, all current A4 users WILL (for obvious reasons) purchase it. There are probably people who (after purchasing A5) will revert back. Not bad, huh? There are not too many companies out there that can boast that kind of loyalty AND CLOUT."

    I think that is still a valid argument three years later.

    Paul

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    Isn't V7 & V8 of A4 considered the "windows" version because they're supposed to run in Win2K and WinXP?

    Rick - What does A4 do better/easier that A5 can't?

    Mike

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    Thanks Paul

    Wow, I did't realize I would be quoted from 3 years ago. I'll have to watch what I say. I have to tell everyone I feel exactly that today.

    In my mind, A4 is faster, more simple to use, the screens are better, and the list goes on. It most certainly has a place in the windows realm.

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    Mike,
    Just a simple start: "F" & "I" are SIMPLE
    Whoever dreamed "CTRL K"
    i haven't managed to remember what "I" is in A5.

    The date ALT D is replaced by some nonsense of key strokes that I have to look up when I want to enter a date.

    The facts are so simple but perhaps you can argue in a twisted way that the alternatives are easy to learn AND remember. I beg to differ.

    Also, the "V" "B" "E" "C" and "W" (Alpha erred in not putting this on the menu bar) are so easy to remember and the list goes on.

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    I agree - the simplicity of A4's keystrokes cannot be "beat" by A5, as that's one of the few things keeping me thinking A5 would be a better place to be. However, building a button and setting it to a simple one-handed (but two keyed) hotkey is simple.

    FWIW, alt+d in A4 = ctrl+shft+d in A5 - not hard to remember. I wouldn't mind hearing from Alpha why the same very simple keystroke hotkeys can't be or weren't used in A5. I'd venture to guess it had more to do with windows.

    As far as speed, A5V4 & A5V5 seemed poky to me. However, as I said above, I just downloaded A5V6, and it's very, very fast. And I must say, competes with my A4 with regard to form loads, etc.

    Here's something slick about A5V6 and printing reports; place a button on a form to print a report (easier to do in A5V6 than A4) {you can also set the button to hotkey ctrl+1 or ctrl+any_other_number to fire}. You can set the report to print directly to a printer or call up a menu to let you select either "to printer" or "to preview". When in preview, there is a pdf button to save it as a pdf and another button that is an email/pdf button so that when you hit it, either your default email client or A5's internal email client will display to send that pdf as an attachment. It's slick, and it works great.

    All you guys that fell in love with A4, as I have, and still am, will find many great features in A5V6 if you tinkered around with it.

    Mike

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    Hi Mike

    I have to run so I'll have to make this quick.

    Maybe A5v6 is starting to come up to the standards and the speed etc of A4. That's great. We are back to spinning our wheels here. We are right back to development time and the learning curve which is what we were talking about in the first place.

    It took us all years of "quality living time" to get to where we are with A4. We sacrificed that "quality living time" because we knew there was going to be a long term benefit for our businesses and ourselves... and when I purchased A4 with all of the sales hipe, I didn't see anything with an astrick saying A4 only good until the next computer language comes along. We have invested years here.

    Since A5 is at least as complicated as A4 and contains other things A4 does not, it will take at least that long to get A5 to where we are today with A4.

    We should not have to be forced to purchase another whole system and spend further years of development to get to where we are now.

    I have 140+ different letters and reports, all with many conditional "IF" statements and calculated fields ... screens that use calculated fields and the list goes on.

    We A4 users simply want what we have made to work fully and completely in the windows environment. I't does not work fully if we cannot print to a windows printer.

    Rick

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    Default RE: Make A4 Windows based

    'Morning Rick,

    I agree with much of what you say. When I first learned that there was no UPGRADE from A4 to A5 and that I'd have to redevelop everything, I was SORELY disappointed. Actually, kind of pissed off. It would have been nice for the forms, reports, letters, and labels to at the very least kick over to A5 in some basic format from which to start, instead of having to start raw.

    Re: Since A5 is at least as complicated as A4 and contains other things A4 does not, it will take at least that long to get A5 to where we are today with A4;

    I'm not sure that I agree that. A4 and A5 are different animals, but there are many similiar and common features. If you use field rules heavily, like me, you are WAY ahead of the game - they're in there, and more, and probably more capable. When develping a form or report, you know the basis of calculated fields, and they are similiar. Lookups in A5 are slightly different, but they're learnable in minutes. Now if you were to suggest that if you were starting with A5V6 with NO prior alpha knowledge or experience whatsoever, I'd agree that the learning curve would be immense. But know A4 well and you know a fair amount about A5.

    Maybe what's been so helpful to me in getting to know A5 is that I've tinkered with it since A5V4, even though I did have V3 (V3 was a dud), and that I've become familiar with it's nuances.

    After having A5V6 for just a week, I must honestly say that my days in A4 are numbered because there is way more capability in A5V6 than A4. I say that having been a DIE-HARD A4'er since '96. If they were to offer a true Windows version of A4, I'm not sure I'd go there, and if I did I would probably only go to it to hold me over until I got all my stuff over to A5V6.

    The one hindrance is the huge amount of time it will take to transfer over, so I'm in TOTAL agreement with you on that. But I believe the benefits will outweigh the time investment.

    Mike


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