The other thread is getting so long that I thought I'd continue it on a new one only for the purpose of loading time and finding the various resposnes quickly. This is the last post by Keith Hubert:
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Msg ID: 63942
Subject: RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?
Author: Keith Hubert
Date: 07-14-2002 5:20 AM
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Having read this thread the concern of "Alpha who?" is very real, end users want to know that there is backup and support available beyond the salesman. Without market recognition the fear is there.
The finest brushes and the best paints will not make us into artists. How ever Alpha will be build with ease of development, each application must be regarded as a tailor made suit to fit the customers needs of the moment. Their concern is not how easy it was to develope, if they think it was easy why should they pay a lot for it.
We are not in the market to sell millions of applications so therefor we don't need to set up a big plant. Each Rolls Royce sold cost more than a Ford but the cost of the Ford plant cost more than Rolls.
I know computer programs are just another working tool to help us do our jobs a liitle more effeciantly but the price of any application will need to made on the benifits the customer will gain.
I would like to see the RT 1-5 $500, 6-20 �1000 20+ $3000 The Developers Kit could be sold for $150, This would speed up market recognition and share. I believe this would be fair to developers and their potential customers.
Hopefully with the aid of Alpha I will be able to develope the applications I have in mind and move up the RT ladder but I know that I will not be able to sell them to the small users that we have here in the UK if the RT licence plus the developement cost are too expencive, they would rather carry on with the way they have for the last 100 years. This is no joke, some companies do not even have a computer.
Keith Hubert
London.
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Hi Keith,
"Each Rolls Royce sold cost more than a Ford but the cost of the Ford plant cost more than Rolls."
But there are hundreds of thousands more Fords than than Rolls. If the cost of the plant is figured on the number of vehicles it turned out, the Ford plant cost less than the Rolls plant.
In the same vein, if I create an app for someone and it's just for them, yes it will cost them more than if the app were for sale to the general public. That's why many of the commercial apps sell so cheaply, create one and then make copies.
However, I'll also weigh in on the likehood of selling RT apps to other clients with more than 3 computers. If that is very likely, I'll take a chance and reduce the portion of what it cost me for the RT, spread it out over X # of apps.
I'll be buying the 3-user RT and if I have a client that needs more than 3 seats, I figure in the upgrade cost, the difference between the two and then charge that as extra if it's a one time deal. If I think I can attract others with a need for more than a 3 seat RT, I reduce the fee a bit.
I won't be charging one price for the app and then a separate price for the app. No, just one price for both. When you buy software, you don't buy the software and pay extra for RT. I've tried to give away apps (free) and told them all they had to do was to buy A5 for $79. Absolutely no takers. RT means I can distribute my app w/th RT as much as I want.
In the other vein, many small companies who bought A5 for their own use, may find the pricing a bit stiff. I already heard from one person that they're going with another product. These are the folks that the pricing will affect and I don't like to see that happen. They, no doubt, will either stay w/v4.5 or look elsewhere.
kenn
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Msg ID: 63942
Subject: RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?
Author: Keith Hubert
Date: 07-14-2002 5:20 AM
File:
Having read this thread the concern of "Alpha who?" is very real, end users want to know that there is backup and support available beyond the salesman. Without market recognition the fear is there.
The finest brushes and the best paints will not make us into artists. How ever Alpha will be build with ease of development, each application must be regarded as a tailor made suit to fit the customers needs of the moment. Their concern is not how easy it was to develope, if they think it was easy why should they pay a lot for it.
We are not in the market to sell millions of applications so therefor we don't need to set up a big plant. Each Rolls Royce sold cost more than a Ford but the cost of the Ford plant cost more than Rolls.
I know computer programs are just another working tool to help us do our jobs a liitle more effeciantly but the price of any application will need to made on the benifits the customer will gain.
I would like to see the RT 1-5 $500, 6-20 �1000 20+ $3000 The Developers Kit could be sold for $150, This would speed up market recognition and share. I believe this would be fair to developers and their potential customers.
Hopefully with the aid of Alpha I will be able to develope the applications I have in mind and move up the RT ladder but I know that I will not be able to sell them to the small users that we have here in the UK if the RT licence plus the developement cost are too expencive, they would rather carry on with the way they have for the last 100 years. This is no joke, some companies do not even have a computer.
Keith Hubert
London.
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Hi Keith,
"Each Rolls Royce sold cost more than a Ford but the cost of the Ford plant cost more than Rolls."
But there are hundreds of thousands more Fords than than Rolls. If the cost of the plant is figured on the number of vehicles it turned out, the Ford plant cost less than the Rolls plant.
In the same vein, if I create an app for someone and it's just for them, yes it will cost them more than if the app were for sale to the general public. That's why many of the commercial apps sell so cheaply, create one and then make copies.
However, I'll also weigh in on the likehood of selling RT apps to other clients with more than 3 computers. If that is very likely, I'll take a chance and reduce the portion of what it cost me for the RT, spread it out over X # of apps.
I'll be buying the 3-user RT and if I have a client that needs more than 3 seats, I figure in the upgrade cost, the difference between the two and then charge that as extra if it's a one time deal. If I think I can attract others with a need for more than a 3 seat RT, I reduce the fee a bit.
I won't be charging one price for the app and then a separate price for the app. No, just one price for both. When you buy software, you don't buy the software and pay extra for RT. I've tried to give away apps (free) and told them all they had to do was to buy A5 for $79. Absolutely no takers. RT means I can distribute my app w/th RT as much as I want.
In the other vein, many small companies who bought A5 for their own use, may find the pricing a bit stiff. I already heard from one person that they're going with another product. These are the folks that the pricing will affect and I don't like to see that happen. They, no doubt, will either stay w/v4.5 or look elsewhere.
kenn
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