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Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

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    #61
    RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

    This comment refers to A4 or A5 for a 2 person business.

    Back years ago, in 92, when I joined a friend to work in a lab parts business I realized we needed a database program. I was trying to use Lotus Agenda but although it provided some help it was not the right product.

    After reading reviews I selected Alpha 4, V2.1. It was a wise choice although between the first pruchase and V6.2 I had to raise my voice due to the bugs which Selwyn had a hard time agreeing were present but nevertheless by magic eventually got fixed.

    For some years since getting A4 v6.2 I have been happy with performance but worried as Microsoft has been killing DOS. The A4 reports leave a little to be desired but I have lived with this.

    When Five came out I was aprehensive with the bug reports and the difficulties and passed initialy. I got V3 but was concerned that lookups took more key strokes than A4, so I quite trying to learn.

    When A5V4 came out I got the 3 user copy as it would seem that my concerns about being inferior to A4 had been overcome. I was dissappointed as some trivial look ups were more complicated than in A4. As I use lookups all day long in A4 how could I justify to my colleague a move to A5 which was more complicated and time consuming.

    I don't have any "apps" in A4, I just use Chose Open View or Browse, or Find whatever, or change Index. A new Purchase order takes a few seconds to enter, as does a new Invoice. I have taught my colleague and a high school temp which SETS to open and training takes just a few minutes. I prepare all the company reports and write scripts for my own use, although a few help data entry for my colleages. Field Rules are the reason I have faith in my data.

    Having attended recent the March Boston meeting I was highly appreciated of the new V5 and I have spent many hours using my A4 data and the A5 beta version to prepare to move to A5V5. I have been impressed with features of V5 and am nearly getting around to handle the programming.

    However, with 4 computers at work operating under W3.1, W95 and W98, it seems I would have to spend over $1200 so that I could have some more bells and whistles and assurance that I could operate in an environment higher than W98. Also I wonder if the w3.1 computer will have to be put out to pasture. Currently the old W3.1 is the work horse of my colleague who puts out more quotations than many others could shake a stick at in an early DOS world processing program.

    I will seriously have to consider whether to abandon A5 or just use it as a toy for my personal use. $1200 is TOO MUCH in our situation.

    Steve Pick
    Trycom Inc.

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      #62
      RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

      Steve,

      If you are not happy with the reporting capabilities of Alpha 4, you may wish to check out Crystal Reports, I believe you could still get the 16-bit version, it will run with any version of Alpha, both Windows and DOS with no problems.

      We have been replacing all our old Alpha 4 programs with our SQL base versions. Our main programs still runs on Alpha 4, but we have a ton of Crystal Reports that supports it.

      Crystal has brought new life to our DOS base applications.

      Sincerely,
      RF-ARS-Motorola

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        #63
        RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

        Wow Peter!

        I've never heard of WinDev before in my life. I went to their web site and read about all thier features, not that I will be switching any time soon.

        One of the first things I noticed was if you look at some of the screen shots, the toolbars have horizontal double lines. This is a Borland trademark. Microsoft toolbars have a single horizontal line.

        Borland had an issue in Delphi and C++ using the Microsoft component, because it kept changing all the time so they developed their own.

        WinDev was definitely developed in either Borland Delphi or Borland C++.

        I would be a little hesitant about buying a product outside the U.S. Support may not be that easy to get.

        Sincerely,
        RF-ARS-Motorola

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          #64
          RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

          Peter,

          Those should be vertical lines, not horizontal.

          RF-ARS-Motorola

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            #65
            RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

            I have read all the comments about the futue V5. I have used seversal versions of Alpha back thru the years. It now appears that the future of Alpha Software is at a stratigic point in the release of version 5. If their pricing is too high which is indicated by most of the persons responding, then Alpha will loose a lot of their present database customers. It appears that this is very serious and may be brewing. We have had about a 2 year lag in major upgrades.I assume Alpha 5v5 is a very good program but if Alpha Software prices V5 as planned, I can not afford it. I too am a small business that has need for special purpose desigining in my business. Alpha need to increase distribution thru more agressive recognization of the product, not slice it up in pieces and require high prices. I too have been waiting for Version 5 and still wonder it it will ever be shipped? At the projected prices I see very few new useres being added to Alpha Family. This Alpha Fourm has some very knowledgeable database users that love to help other users. Sad to say but I seen hints that several of these could be moving to other datase programs. This will be bad for current users and extremely bad for Alpha Software.


            Doyle Irby

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              #66
              RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

              I have read all the comments about the futue V5. I have used seversal versions of Alpha back thru the years. It now appears that the future of Alpha Software is at a stratigic point in the release of version 5. If their pricing is too high which is indicated by most of the persons responding, then Alpha will loose a lot of their present database customers. It appears that this is very serious and may be brewing. We have had about a 2 year lag in major upgrades.I assume Alpha 5v5 is a very good program but if Alpha Software prices V5 as planned, I can not afford it. I too am a small business that has need for special purpose desigining in my business. Alpha need to increase distribution thru more agressive recognization of the product, not slice it up in pieces and require high prices. I too have been waiting for Version 5 and still wonder it it will ever be shipped? At the projected prices I see very few new useres being added to Alpha Family. This Alpha Fourm has some very knowledgeable database users that love to help other users. Sad to say but I seen hints that several of these could be moving to other datase programs. This will be bad for current users and extremely bad for Alpha Software.

              Doyle Irby

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                #67
                RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

                I have read all the comments about the futue V5. I have used seversal versions of Alpha back thru the years. It now appears that the future of Alpha Software is at a stratigic point in the release of version 5. If their pricing is too high which is indicated by most of the persons responding, then Alpha will loose a lot of their present database customers. It appears that this is very serious and may be brewing. We have had about a 2 year lag in major upgrades.I assume Alpha 5v5 is a very good program but if Alpha Software prices V5 as planned, I can not afford it. I too am a small business that has need for special purpose desigining in my business. Alpha need to increase distribution thru more agressive recognization of the product, not slice it up in pieces and require high prices. I too have been waiting for Version 5 and still wonder it it will ever be shipped? At the projected prices I see very few new useres being added to Alpha Family. This Alpha Fourm has some very knowledgeable database users that love to help other users. Sad to say but I seen hints that several of these could be moving to other datase programs. This will be bad for current users and extremely bad for Alpha Software.


                Doyle Irby

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                  #68
                  RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

                  Doyle,

                  While I agree that the pricing needs to be readjusted, I believe it's a bit presumptious to state that several who help others are hinting of moving to other databases. I did not get that hint nor do I know of any seasoned A5'ers who are, myself included. My order for V5 still stands!

                  kenn
                  TYVM :) kenn

                  Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                    #69
                    RE: Alpha5v4.5 or Wait?

                    Ken,

                    I believe it's a bit presumptious...

                    Believe it.

                    I happen to hang out on the PowerBASIC Forum on a daily basis and have seen several well-known 'Alpha Forum' names starting to visit more frequently in the last month. I hadn't given it much thought until you mentioned it. Those in the 'know' must have gotten wind about the price increases and are starting to excercise their options.

                    There's even a free multi-user database program that works with PowerBASIC called Tsunami at: www.trm-ug.com

                    Reasons why?
                    PowerBASIC $189 - create small Windows EXE's (NO run-times)
                    Tsunami Database program - FREE

                    Hmmm....

                    --Bob

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