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    re:Web Application Server

    I had posted the following into the wrong forum, so I include it here in the correct forum. I also wanted to add another comment concerning this product.
    Alpha 5 can certainly stand on its own merits, but I also look at the competition when judging a product. For example, Filemaker is one product and has the ability to run its programs/interfaces in web browsers. This ability is "integrated" in that one product.
    The point I am getting at is it might be perceived as a negative factor if Alpha 5 users have to purchase another product for this functionality instead of having it available in Alpha 5 itself.

    ORIGINAL POSTING:
    I think it's exciting that Alpha Five applications will soon be accessible via Web browsers. Is this going to be a separate product from A5 or is it going to be integrated with A5? Put another way, will this be a part of a future A5 upgrade or will it be an entirely separate product from A5?

    #2
    re:Web Application Server

    Adrian,

    I'm curious. What is the cost the full developer version of Filemaker? And then the next question is, how will Filemaker and the A5 web edition compare?

    It would be nice if it was incorportaed with v5 but I think the Alpha crew wants to get v5 released before the web version is available.

    I would not be surpirsed if there won't be a discount on the web version for v5 users and perhaps at some point release it all as one package. On the other hand, File maker has many versions and there are many Alpha users who don't need or desire web access so a "lighter n the pocket book version" is needed.

    Bottom line in comparing is not only total cost, but features and ease of use.

    kenn
    TYVM :) kenn

    Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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      #3
      re:Web Application Server

      The Alpha Five Application Server is roughly equivalent to a runtime in that it allows the developer to build an application and give access to multiple users without letting those users change the application. And it takes things even further by removing the requirement to purchase and install the runtime on each client. This opens new doors for the developer because now the clients accessing your applications don't even need to run any version of Windows - Mac, Linux and Unix users can use your applications just as easily.

      It will also be similar to the runtime in that you do not need to purchase it until you are ready to distribute your application. Once the Application Server is released, you will be able to download an upgrade for Alpha Five V5 which will give you a limited version of the Application Server. It will not be limited in functionality, only in the number of clients that can access your server. This will allow you to fully test your applications through a web browser and know that they work before you distribute them and without having to purchase the full Application Server.

      Also note that this is how FileMaker licenses their products. FileMaker Pro allows limited client access to your database through a web browser. If you'd like to have many clients access your data, you need to purchase FileMaker Server or FileMaker Unlimited - separate products.

      -Lenny

      Lenny Forziati
      Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
      Alpha Software Corporation

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        #4
        re:Web Application Server


        We are in the process of bringing another plant online with the main
        plant and it seems that the web sever would be the way to do it. We
        are using Alpha 5 4.5 for all of our production operations and in
        fact every aspect of our business except for accounting.

        Do you have a time frame for release yet?

        We are looking at perhaps August for the other plant. If the web
        portion will be available soon, it may be best for us to wait on it
        instead of direct connect or citrix.

        Thank you

        Rodney

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          #5
          re:Web Application Server

          While we do not have a specific time frame for the Application Server release yet, it will closely follow the release of Alpha Five Version 5 and should be close to your August plant opening. I don't want to tell you definitively to wait because we do not yet have an exact release date and because I do not know the full scope of your application(s). However the Application Server really has an advantage over a direct connection environment because Alpha Five itself is not a client-server application while the Application Server is.

          This means that instead of the server transferring the whole database to the client and letting the client operate on it as would be done with a direct connection, the Application Server does the processing locally and then sends only the result to the client. Unless your data is quite small and you have a very fast connection between the plants, you would really see a significant performance improvement with the Application Server.

          -Lenny

          Lenny Forziati
          Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
          Alpha Software Corporation

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            #6
            re:Web Application Server

            With regard to the web-server version of A5, why should somebody that doesn't use or need that feature have to pay for it if it's included in the regular A5 program?

            I'd rather the Web-Server be seperate so I'm not buying something I don't need. If it's available seperately, that is more flexible than being included in the A5 program, I think.

            Mike
            Thank you,
            Mike Konoff

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              #7
              re:Web Application Server

              Mike,

              I think Lenny answered your question:

              "It will also be similar to the runtime in that you do not need to purchase it until you are ready to distribute your application."

              I intrepret this to mean that if you are not needing a web server, you don't have to buy it.

              kenn
              TYVM :) kenn

              Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                #8
                re:Web Application Server

                This is correct Ken.

                -Lenny

                Lenny Forziati
                Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
                Alpha Software Corporation

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                  #9
                  re:Web Application Server

                  Is it going to be possible to have mixed access to the data?
                  By this I mean, can the application be ran in a lan enviornment at the parent location and the remote locations connect using the web server.

                  Thank you

                  Rodney

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                    #10
                    re:Web Application Server

                    Ken,

                    I understood the Web Server would be separate from A5. I was giving Adrian my reason for liking it that way, separate, and not included in the product as she indicated Filemaker was.

                    But thanks anyway.

                    Mike
                    Thank you,
                    Mike Konoff

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                      #11
                      re:Web Application Server

                      Lenny:

                      Do you have an indication what the cost of the upgrade from Alpha 4.5 to 5 will be?

                      Regards,
                      Chet Sapino
                      Regards,
                      Chet Sapino
                      President,
                      SAPINO Enterprises
                      6451 Pheasant Rd
                      East Syracuse, NY 13057

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                        #12
                        re:Web Application Server

                        Chet,

                        If he did, he would be out of line to even hint at it. We won't know until the vail is pulled off. Que sera, sera. What will be, will be.

                        kenn
                        TYVM :) kenn

                        Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                          #13
                          re:Web Application Server

                          Mike,

                          I now understand what you meant. Interesting how people can see the same thing and look at it 2 different ways. Is the glass half empty or half full? Thanks for the explanation.

                          kenn
                          TYVM :) kenn

                          Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                            #14
                            re:Web Application Server

                            In Richards Radio interview (on the front page of Alpha website) he indicated that the V5 price would be around $300, but of course until the price is set in stone this could change.
                            Alan Sawyer

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                              #15
                              re:Web Application Server

                              Yes.

                              As far as the Alpha Five database engine is concerened, the Application Server is like another Alpha Five client. So you would just set up your server to give both the Aplpication Server and the full Alpha Five clients access to your database files.

                              -Lenny

                              Lenny Forziati
                              Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
                              Alpha Software Corporation

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