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    I would like to know what others think about app. design using mostly maximized forms, including the startup form, from the standpoint of what you think your end-users prefer? Please feel free to comment or just say, Supersize It! Thanks in advance.

    Tom Scholis

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    I maximize to utilize the ENTIRE screen...

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    Maximize all the main screens where the business gets done, dialog box the little ones such as a peek at background detail, or full detail of customer address from an invioice screen.

    Never use stacked windows - I have a menu that opens a form and automatically closes the one you left so you don't accumulate a collection of open windows. This way the info is fresh and current on each opening.

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    I agree - maximized looks best and utilizes the screen better.

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    I maximize all my screens, closing the previous screen.

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    Tom,

    I don't buy the maximize arguments others have put forth. I believe that a user should have a choice based upon how he works, not how you want him to work. As a minimum, have a user settable choice.

    My applications all start out in maximize mode on their first use, but after that it is whatever it was last. Most forms (with a few exceptions) inherit the state of the window that invoked it. If the screen is windowed, it even remains sticky to the last place and size (unless it would totally be off screen). Upon exit, the screen remembers it's state and is saved for when it is opened in the future. How I do that, I'll call a trade secret for now, but it's all done within A5.

    To paraphrase a quote;

    Your obligation is to the users, The Users, THE USERS! That has to be your responsibility, the only reason for programming!

    (Free kudos to someone who can tell me what Movie that is paraphrasing and who says it.)

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    We make all the forms as small as possible so more of them can show at the same time. No telling when the user has to stop this to look up that and she may well need five or six tasks active at once. Some of the entry forms that require several references are opened with the the entry+reference+reference filling the screen.

    That's why Controlpanel.hide() needs fixing.

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    I use maximized forms - dialogs, array, etc for the rest.

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    Same here. -- tom

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    I side with Ira.

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    Steve,

    Are we allowed to be on the same side? Does this mean I have to change what I was saying? (to paraphase another joke, If you have 6 programmers in a room, you have at least 7 ways to program something!)

    And, how many Alpha 5 programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    None. They'll wait for the server version and have the "Server" do it for them.

    :?)

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    Alternate version:

    How many Alpha 5 programmers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    None. It's a hardware issue.

    Bill

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    A Clockwork Orange?

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    Brahhgg!!! Wrong Answer, Hans. Would you like to try for Double Jepoardy where the scores can really change? (John Mclean/Bruce Willis in Die Hard)

    --Ira

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    Tom, Here goes! Maximized is the only way to go if your planning on marketing an app. Before everyone piles up on me let me explain. If you are writting an app for your own office and can trust everyone using to do what they have been told then Ira's opinion makes allot of sense. On the other hand if your app will be put into the hands of strangers who should not have access to certain areas of your app, or if your app absolutely requires a button to be pushed to exit a form in order to clean up any data manipulation that is absolutly required, you DO NOT want forms to have the option to be sized or closed. Quoting my partner Tom Hlavin, "An inexperienced application user can out maneuver even the most skilled programmer any day of the week!" If your user can size your forms they can very easily size the close button completly out of veiw. Why not maximize all of your forms and use popups when it absolutely has to be there on time? If all users would read and follow the directions supplied with the app life would really be great, but, Oh Well? Are we having fun yet?
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    I agree with Jeff. No doubt thre are situations for several smaller screens in view at the same time, but I deal with folks who screw up a sure thing. Yes, these are educated folk. One even told me that you have to put it at a 3rd grade level. That's how easey it should be. Full screens with pop ups and dialogs. The oooooonnly way to go.
    At least most of the time.

    kenn

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    My experience is that the more educated the user the more likely they will screw up the application. They think they a smart so they don't have to ask questions until after the computer gets insulted enough to get up and walk off the desk.
    I like maximize because my application is easier for the user with the form having all the field for the task assignment visible at one time on one screen.

    Bob Sullivan

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    It's Monday morning following this posting and I'm grateful for all the help.

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    Let us know what you've concluded.

    kenn

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    Personally, I find it easier to work at the "max". Most of my users like things simple and this seems to work for them. There wasn't anything I found compelling here one way or the other. I won't being changing anytime soon. It's nice to know I'm not alone. Thanks again.

    Tom Scholis.

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    Tom,
    Another view. It depends. If most of your forms are full page forms and look good with any screen resolution, then running everything maximized makes sense. But if you open a form that you want to run at less than full screen, you have to open as a dialog or popup. Both of these types have limitations, such as no access to menus and toolbars.

    Some developers don't use menus and toolbars, but I find that most users who use windows programs regularly have become somewhat dependent on them, so I usually use then.

    If your app has some full size forms and some small forms, running the forms at restore size may make more sense. Then each form opens at it's own specified size and the user has access to menus and toolbars and can switch forms just by clicking on any open form. I don't worry about a user having access to anything "hidden" since most of my apps run from a main menu that always remains open in the background. If it is closed, a5 closes. Another concern is that a form (like a menu) will not fill the window if the user maximizes A5. It is possible to create a script or function that will resize the form to fill the available window, so that doesn't have to be a problem either.

    Everyone has their own ideas and style. Whatever works for you. I usually force A5 to a specific size which is almost full screen, and then size forms to fit and run at restore size. No one has had a problem with it yet.

    Jerry

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    I do the same. I also hide forms when I don't want a user to have access to them so they have to go down the road I want them to take.

    Bill

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    I have program at work that opens minimize and if you click
    the maximize button in the upper right corner, the program
    rewrites or redraws the screen so that everything looks as
    though it was suppose to be maximized. If you click again
    it will redraw and make all the items small to fit. I talked
    to the programmer and he said there was a dll file that did
    this. I think it is written in Vbasic and Access as the
    files have a .mbd (or something like that)Anyway I can access
    the dbf files with Access.

    Jerry

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    supersize it

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