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A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

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    A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

    A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY - Now this is an oxymoron if ever there was one.

    Those of you that are avid readers of this message board will see my tons of posts in an attempt to convert a client from Alpha Four V2 (DOS) to Alpha Five V5 (WINDOWS).

    There needs were simple.

    1) They did not want to lose any of their existing data.
    2) They wanted the screens to appear exactly as they do in their current application.
    3) They did NOT want to have to use a mouse, so the entire application needs to be able to work via keyboard only.
    4) They only need two data entry forms, one to enter new customers and a second to enter new invoices.
    5) They only need three reports: customer invoices, customer statements, and accounts receivable aging.

    This is probably one of the most basic and simple applications to create using Alpha Five ... and it is something that I would have not been able to accomplish without the assistance of this community and the help docs. At least not in the time allotted for the project.

    I basically started with two tables, no forms and no reports. I currently have 8 tables, 8 forms, 3 reports, 13 update operations, and 2 functions. I am not finished yet but I am sure these numbers will not change too much. So much for simple LOL.

    As a result, I have learned (still more to learn as I have not yet completed the conversion) how to do many things with Alpha Five. My thought process was to create a web site that explains all that I learned, the different ways to accomplish some tasks, and the choices I made to resolve them and why.

    Since this project will take a considerable amount of time, I am not sure I will do it if I am the only one to benefit from having it.

    A sampling of what I would include (but not limited to) would be as follows:

    1) Exact steps that I took to convert the data, ie copying the client files, creating new tables, transferring their data to the new tables, etc

    2) Creating the forms, reports, update operations, functions, etc to meet their specific needs

    3) The 'how to' instructions on accomplishing the tasks that I learned:

    working with functions
    auto incrementing - field rules vs xbasic
    key stroke trapping
    and many many more

    Here is the question I am posing to all of you here. Would you consider this something helpful to others in the Alpha Community? If so, then I will be more than happy to create this tutorial.
    Cheryl
    #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
    http://pagecrazy.com/

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    RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

    Cheryl,

    I think this would be of interest to many. I suggest you write Richard Rabins ([email protected]) and call his attention to your project. I be he will offer encouragement.

    Bill
    Bill Hanigsberg

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      #3
      RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

      "I bet he will offer encouragement."
      Bill Hanigsberg

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        RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

        LOL Bill. I am sure Richard will find his way to this post on his own. I do not need to draw his attn to the project as I am certain he will do all the encouraging possible to get me through it once he finds the post :) I have always found Richard along with the rest of the Alpha staff very supportive of ventures that I have attempted to undergo in the past.

        I basically posed the question here to get a feel from new Alpha users as well as 'seasoned' developers for their opinion on the value of something like this.

        I thank you for your 'valued' opinion as to the helpfullness of a project like this, which is in fact what I am hoping to get with this post.
        Cheryl
        #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
        http://pagecrazy.com/

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          RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

          Just as an added note: my thought process as to why this would be helpful is not only the learning process that I underwent to get through the project ... but possibly even more important is that it gives a 'live' example of an application that somebody is actually using :)
          Cheryl
          #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
          http://pagecrazy.com/

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            RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

            Cheryl

            You will find that all of the steps except step 2 won't be that difficult. A few years ago, I converted a single screen, single table A5V2 database to A5V4.5. One of the requirements was to keep the one form exactly the same. It is close, but not the same. It also took a tremendous amount of work, since the original was based on a huge, single flat table and the new version used a set.

            Of course, once they learned what was possible in the new version ,they wanted some of the bells and whistles. A "few" hundred hours later, they had their new database, with about a dozen table and screens.

            Jerry

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              RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

              Jerry,

              ""You will find that all of the steps except step 2 won't be that difficult""

              I have found the entire project difficult primarily because I have had to learn everything as I have gone along. I guess difficult is not the proper word, time consuming would be a better description. (Lots of reading and research)

              I do agree that step 2 is the most difficult. Since nothing transfers from a4v2 except for the database tables themselves, everything else needs to be done from scratch. This conversion was also based on a 'flat file' database so I have made many new tables to make it a bit easier for future modifications.

              I am sure that the client will begin to ask for new things once they get comfortable with the new software. I have not been able to make things look exactly the same ... but hopefully they will accept what I have managed to accomplish.

              Tomorrow is D-DAY so time will tell :)

              Cheryl
              Cheryl
              #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
              http://pagecrazy.com/

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                RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

                I've converted a couple of sizeable apps from Alpha DOS to V5, and like Jerry, noted that they tended to work with flat databases - often with an enormous number of fields.

                In both cases, they balked at first and then went along with a relational approach, and now love all the new possibilities.

                Jerry, one of the apps, for an aviation engineering lab, that tests metal for Bell, Boeing, etc., I will have invested over 1,200 hours rewriting it. Got about 700 so far.
                Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                972 524 8714
                [email protected]

                ____________________
                "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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                  RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

                  Jerry

                  So do you think my creating a tutorial with this would be helpful to others?

                  Cheryl
                  Cheryl
                  #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
                  http://pagecrazy.com/

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                    RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

                    Martin,

                    Better you than me on your app, hehehe.

                    So do you think my creating a tutorial with this would be helpful to others?

                    Cheryl

                    PS I postponed my D-DAY to tomorrow so I can attempt to get some of my fine-tuning issues addressed :)
                    Cheryl
                    #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
                    http://pagecrazy.com/

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                      RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

                      "You don't know your subject until you can teach it!" - or something like that. Certainly couldn't hurt anything. But you might condense it and put it in the code archive.
                      Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                      972 524 8714
                      [email protected]

                      ____________________
                      "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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                        RE: A4V2 conversion to A5V5 made EASY

                        ""But you might condense it and put it in the code archive.""

                        Sorry, guess I am tired but I do not follow this statement. Not sure how I could condense a website into the code archive? Please forgive me, this app has my head hurting from all the information I have taken in.

                        ""don't know your subject until you can teach it!""

                        My thought process on doing this project was two-fold.

                        1) Creating the site will re-enforce what I have learned and assist with my ability to retain it :)

                        2) I am hoping that something like this would help somebody else and save them some of the time it took me to figure out many things that turned out to be quite simple in the end.

                        I have a tendency of complicating everything and never seem to find the simple solutions first.

                        Many moons ago when I began website design, my work was self-taught. I had a lot of help from others on the Internet as I have had here with other developers assisting me with my learning curve of Alpha.

                        Once I had a comfortable knowledge of html and what to do's and not do's ... I founded an online HTML group that offered 'free' assistance with learning HTML. I did this to save others the headaches I had trying to learn HTML.

                        The group was extremely successful, 150+ members donating their time to the public with the website receiving 1000+ daily hits.

                        Cheryl
                        #1 Designs By Pagecrazy
                        http://pagecrazy.com/

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