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Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

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    #31
    RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

    Robert, I agree with you -- the question is where is such a book to come from. If you build it will they come?

    Russ

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      #32
      RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

      Excellent Idea. I assume you will now be inundated with new material. Open the floodgates...

      Russ

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        #33
        RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

        Thank you :)

        Right now I'm (ugh) searching for a good book on learning Access...or even a cd tutorial.

        So far I've found tutorials/books that are too basic, and tutorials that are too complex...hardly anything in the middle.

        It's all putting me to sleep.........snor..........

        Wanda

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          #34
          RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

          Robert,
          There is such a book that you have just described. It is called "Database Design for Mere Mortals" second edition, by Michael J. Hernandez. This book was recommended to me by someone on this messageboard. It does not cover any special program, but it does cover relational database design fundamentals.

          You can purchase the book at Books-A-Million or Barns & Noble. Cost is $50.00

          Gerald

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            #35
            RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

            Hello Gerald and Dr. Modi

            Gerald, I haven�t personally read it, but several people have recommend that book in the past, and there appears to be an overall consensus that it is indeed an excellent choice.

            I just returned from a business trip, so I wasn't available to read and/or respond to some of the messages in this thread. I was amazed by the comments of the good doctor. He referred to me as venomous and he also painted a description of me as someone with a superiority complex, trying to discourage people new to database design and Alpha Five.

            I have no idea how or why he came to those erroneous conclusions, but they are pretty far from reality. I, and many others, visit this forum to learn and help others. We give freely of our valuable time and experience. Why would I want to discourage, or in any way describe or think of people new to database design as being inferior? Doctor, I don't understand why you feel that way, but please refer to the hundreds of times I've offered help to people on this forum and maybe you will come to a different conclusion?

            If A5 users don't understand what they're doing and they�re headed down a path towards failure, would you want me to pretend they're doing well or keep quiet? Or do you think I, and others, should point out they are making a serious error or a series of mistakes?

            I'll use one of your medical analogies. If you were observing a doctor treating a patient, who clearly misdiagnosed the illness and then prescribed a treatment that would compound the medical problem, would you keep quiet or would you speak up and in an effort to help the patient and/or prevent the other physician from making matters worse?

            If you kept quiet, I would not respect you as a doctor. If you stood up and pointed out the doctor misdiagnosed the problem, I would think you were doing the right thing. I would not accuse of you of fostering a superior attitude and looking down at other physicians.

            Anyway, I think your conclusions are way off base and I resent them. There is nothing more precious than honesty and speaking the truth. This is how people learn from their mistakes and actually make progress. I frequently visit this forum because my goal [like many others], is to help people.

            Robert T

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              #36
              RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

              Hi everybody and Robert
              My God !! This thread has gone way ahead. Robert, I apologize for any hurt feelings. Probably you come in such a big way that I get scary. Anyway, it is also my fault to have taken things too personally.You are a senior and a respected member of alpha community and I have admired your work and you know it. I have recently bought the book Database Design for Mere Mortals" from Amazon.com, as u had suggested.

              Alpha five is a huge program and I have yet to pick up the threads here. But like u said, the concept of database design itself is an art and the rationale and approach has its own learning curve. Just as the science of medicine cannot be taught, but can only be learnt and beyond knowing medicine, the art of treating a patient is an altogether different thing itself, database design is itself a science . Like any other science, this also cannot only be learnt by reading manuals, nothing supersedes learning than practical training under people of repute. This is where this wonderful forum comes in.

              Sincerely,
              Dr Alok Modi MD

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                #37
                RE: Pace Manuals and Alpha Community

                Hi Alok,

                I admit I was laughing when I read your last message.
                You did understand !
                That is not as obvious as it sounds, when you read the different messages in this thread.
                That takes you further then some others in this thread.

                No need anymore now to keep on hitting this subject.
                You understood clearly that this is a craft.
                A craft that CAN be learned by starters too, but, obviously, not by anyone. It takes certain basic skills and talents.
                By the way, skills and talents I must conclude from everything I know about you now, that you have.
                In my opinion, you could succeed. And you will.
                Not anyone can become a doctor either. That also takes certain basic skills and talents.
                My wild guess here is, that some of those skills and talents are equal to the ones needed for mastering our profession. Like the patience Call was correctly talking about.

                It is good to have these discussions. All of us learn from it. I hope that by some in this thread also is learned that you can not master this craft from only a book.
                It can be a great help though.
                Better is, if you want to do it right, to start with the basic education and skills. The road is longer, the result will be sweeter.

                Kind regards and greetings,

                Marcel

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