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    Terminal Server

    Does anyone have experience of running A5v5 in Windows Terminal Server or Citrix enviornments

    Thinking of going the thin client route and just want to know of any pitfalls

    Ken

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    RE: Terminal Server

    Ken,

    This issue has been discussed. Search this board and also also the version four board.

    Both appear to be practical but there are issues you have to understand. I do neither so I can't advise you.

    Bill
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      #3
      RE: Terminal Server

      I've got a feeling that you won't find too many using it with a5v5.Finian Lennon is the resident expert on this so maybe he'll chime in.
      I've used it successfully in a5v4.5, but with very few users off the same Terminal Services machine.
      Bill is correct that there are some good threads about this issue in the Alpha 4 forum, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that the behavior of both versions will be identical.

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        #4
        RE: Terminal Server

        John, what about the setting option, to set for use with something like Citrix.
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          #5
          RE: Terminal Server

          We are running A5v5 runtime on our Citrix Servers, with the databases being stored on our main NetWare 5 server. So far it has worked very well, though the number of concurrent users connected to a single database is low. The bigger and more robust your Citrix Server, the better.
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            #6
            RE: Terminal Server

            How many conurrent users do you have using runtime - whether it's the same or different databases??

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              #7
              RE: Terminal Server

              We will have up to 20 people but with light useage.

              I am just trying to find out if there are any major problems that would steer me away from Terminal Server

              Ken

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                #8
                RE: Terminal Server

                Ken,

                I was actually asking JoAnn

                John

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                  #9
                  RE: Terminal Server

                  Sorry

                  Ken

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                    #10
                    RE: Terminal Server

                    John,
                    Normally not more than 5 or 6 at a time. We are in the process of converting quite a few Access databases to A5 so this will be more very soon. Also we are moving users to thin client computing as older PCs need to be replaced, so that may increase our count as well.

                    I am anxious to see how well A5 responds in this environment as the MS Access runtimes become pretty slow after more than 3-4 concurrent users run them. I just feel like its going to do well because we've had good experiences with it so far.
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                      #11
                      RE: Terminal Server

                      We have multiple Citrix servers running V4.5 with anywhere from 30 to 50+ concurrent users. It's a big complex app and the heavy users really pound away at it. The servers are running NT Terminal Services. We couldn't get the same load on Windows 2000 so we stuck with NT.

                      The servers are all multi-processor (mostly dual processor - we didn't find worthwhile advantage with quad processor) and at least 1 gig ram. The OS needs 512 megs for itself for top performance.

                      We are gradually moving to V5. The pace will pick up in the next couple of months. We are already running a number of clients where the V4.5 app hands off to V5 (to take advantage of the V5 text drivers, so they co-exist OK.

                      V5 is obviously a bigger app than V4 so we don't expect to get the same number of users on a server. We currently plan to go to 2003 Server for any new/replacement servers.

                      Finian
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                        #12
                        RE: Terminal Server

                        "We have multiple Citrix servers running V4.5 with anywhere from 30 to 50+ concurrent users"

                        Finian, what kind of hardware are you talking? Our erp system at my work in a clinically obese client. We can get about 20 users on a 4 way Xeon 450mhz with a gig 1.5 gigs of ram. Just curious mostly.

                        Ryan

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                          #13
                          RE: Terminal Server

                          They are all Dell and pretty much top of the line, Xeon processors RAID setups (4X2 in most cases) and Gig plus of RAM. (Sorry I don't have the specs in front of me.)

                          As far as the number of users go, the key with A4 V4.5 was the OS. With Win2K server we could only get 15 - 20 users before the servers bluse screened. We went back to NT and have stayed there. The 2003 OS has memory/processor management features which were missing in Win2K.

                          Initially we went for quad processor machines but there wasn't a correlation between # of processors and # of users. Dual is better than single but quad does not double anything except processor cost! RAM was much more important.

                          Finian
                          Finian

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                            RE: Terminal Server

                            I'm a little surprised 2000 wasn't better because as a stand alone I find it a lot better than NT. But then NT Terminal Server and NT were two differnet products and they kind of bolted Terminal services onto 2000 so I guess it was a 1.0 release in that respect and apparently it shows. We are at NT because the reporting software we run will not work on 2000. In hindsight, that is a good thing apparently.

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                              #15
                              RE: Terminal Server

                              The issue was that MS had an NT fix for "misbehaving" applications that overfed on processor time which V4.5 definitely did/does. Applying this fix/patch enabled us to get the usage where we wanted it. There was no similar "fix" in Win2K server.

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