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    Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

    Is there anyone out there who has used this book to design a checkbook application.

    I bought this book to learn how to create applications in Alpha five. The main aspect of the book teaches you how to write a checkbook application. I have followed this through and everything works fine for one checkbook. In Chapter 30 it shows you how to program multiple datasets which also works fine after a fix from Dr Wayne.

    What I need to know is how how to I set it up as an application so that when the client selects the dataset that it runs the form that ideally should be based on a set of "mycheckbook" and "dataset" so when entering data
    its visable which dataset you are in.

    Kind regards
    David

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    RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

    So... You are taking Dr. Wayne's example and marketing it??

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      RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

      Yes I have contacted him and offered to purchase it as an application and he informed me he did not have the time to make it into an application.

      I also presume that when you buy a book with example code in it you are entitled to use the code.

      regards
      David

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        RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

        David,

        "I also presume that when you buy a book with example code in it you are entitled to use the code. "

        And if you buy a book and then use the authors words in a book of your own, that's ok?

        IOW, what you are doing is called plagerism. You can use the technique, but not the exact code.

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          RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

          I'll preface my comments with an old saying from south Louisiana - 'I don't have a dog in this fight', but my gut tells me THIS is gonna' be an interesting thread.

          If David Corcoran (in message 27763) got permission from Dr. Wayne to use his (Dr. Wayne's) code as the basis for an application, isn't it logical to assume that any debate regarding plagerism-yes or plagerism-no, is between those two gentlemen? Being an educator, I fully understand what plagerism is and how easy it is to commit. When someone creates a work product based on what someone elses creativity, the source work needs to be referenced. The degree to which the original work is copied and cited could easily become the basis of a charge of plagerism. I'm not in any way an attorney (I can barely spell it), but I would think that if person A gets permission to use person B's work and that work is cited, 'plagerism' becomes a mute point.

          Let the comments commence.
          Dave Jampole
          www.customalpha.com

          Women and cats will do whatever they want. The sooner men and dogs realize that, the happier they will be.

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            RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

            My comments stem from Mr. Corcoran's statement:

            "he informed me he did not have the time to make it into an application."

            Does that indicate permission?

            Then he made his presumption. I saw nothing in this thread that indicates permission from Dr. Wayne to use the code.

            I would of course be interested in Dr. Wayne's own position.

            I am not an attorney either, but I know right from wrong.

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              RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

              Melvin,

              I agree, Dr. Wayne's comments/reaction would be interesting.

              Dave
              Dave Jampole
              www.customalpha.com

              Women and cats will do whatever they want. The sooner men and dogs realize that, the happier they will be.

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                RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                I appreciate all the people who rush to my defense, but I really think that if code is published in an educational book that can be purchased, then the code can be used by someone else.

                What David C. has to do is simply put the "Manage Datasets" code onto a button on his main form, assuming that the main form is not based on one of the tables that is being shuffled around by the "manage datasets" script.

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                  RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                  ...and so the forum regains its equilibrium.

                  Thank you, Dr. Wayne.

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                    RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                    Would not the plagerism be publishing/using the code for profit and taking credit for the development? If, in your book, you have indicated the material cannot be "published" without expressed written permission and it still is done for profit with no indication of credit I would think that would be plagerism. Since your book is an instructional book, as you said it would be a hard issue to defend. The materials could not be published in another book without permission though.

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                      RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                      Isn't this getting a bit out of hand? I would presume that the book was written to help people START an application. Certainly, noone is going to take just the code that is in the book, market it, and become the next Bill Gates billionaire. It may be a useful starting point, but lots of additions, modifications, etc. would need to be done to create a marketable product.

                      Also, isn't the point of the book, this board, and the alpha manuals themselves to help people get started? Are we not allowed to use the code examples in the alpha books? alpha sports? And like I said, is there ever a time where the code will be used exactly or isn't modification necessary to create a polished application?

                      Just my thoughts.

                      Gary
                      Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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                        RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                        I saw nothing in Dr. Wayne's comments that objected to what David has in mind. Also, Dave Jampole's are right on. Why continue to beat the horse?

                        Let's get on to something helpful.

                        kenn
                        TYVM :) kenn

                        Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                          RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                          "I also presume that when you buy a book with example code in it you are entitled to use the code. "

                          And if you buy a book and then use the authors words in a book of your own, that's ok?

                          IOW, what you are doing is called plagerism. You can use the technique, but not the exact code.


                          Technically, I suppose, all the material is copyrighted, and any unauthorized duplication violates copyright. Not plagiarism, mind you, but copyright theft.

                          In practice, though, it really depends on the author. From what Dr. Wayne indicated, he's got no problem with it. A lot of authors spell out what you can and can't do with code from their books for precisely this reason.

                          As an author myself, I've included many code samples in my books; they primarily exist to introduce concepts to the reader. I've included large frameworks for applications, but never the meat of the application itself, since unless you're writing a book about that type of application, it's off-point, and can be very confusing.

                          But even if I did, I would consider it rather ungenerous to place restrictions on how people used the code. I would also consider it rather ungenerous not to be thanked somewhere in an application that was based on it.

                          I don't think I've ever seen a saleable application in a book, come to think of it.

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                            RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                            It seems like everyone has had their say on this issue now.

                            I would just like to say the reason I bought this book was to learn how to program applications in Alpha Five and have found it to be very good book for this purpose. If I had thought that I would not be able to use the demostration code then the book would have been usless to me.

                            So I hope you have all enjoyed your discussions on what I am doing is plagerism or not, but it seems no one wants to address the problem I approached this board for.

                            Kind regards
                            David

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                              RE: Alpha five V5 by Dr Peter Wayne

                              David,

                              Here is what Dr. Wayne had to say about addressing your problem:

                              "What David C. has to do is simply put the "Manage Datasets" code onto a button on his main form, assuming that the main form is not based on one of the tables that is being shuffled around by the "manage datasets" script."

                              Additionally, if you read a bit closer, you'll see that some came to your defense as well.

                              kenn
                              TYVM :) kenn

                              Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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