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    #1

    Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

    Recently--like in the last month--every single time I close a form that I've opened in design mode, Alpha asks me if I want to save that form, whether I've changed anything or not. It's driving me nuts.

    Sometimes I have to open up 5-6 forms in design mode for comparison purposes. Having to answer this question 5-6 times not only forces an extra click into an already klunky process, it forces me to =think= about whether or not I actually did change anything. Horror!*

    I realize this may seem trivial, and I doubt someone can point me to an option that says, "Don't ask to save layouts that haven't been changed," but I needed to get it off my chest. :-)

    ---B



    *The last program I worked with that asked extraneous save questions was WordPerfect. Every single time you saved a document, it would ask you if you wanted to overwrite the old copy. Like a lot of people, I quickly learned to ignore the question and hard-wire a "Yes" answer into my brain. Sure enough, I occasionally ended up overwriting a file I didn't mean to.

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    #2
    RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

    View menu, settings, system, layouts, has a layout preferences setting

    Automatically save Form Layouts when switching....

    If this is what you want it will save some clicks.
    There can be only one.

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      #3
      RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

      Good lord, no.

      Maybe I'm the only one who works this way, but I often make experimental changes to forms and am closing them precisely because I =don't= want to save the changes.

      A5 already thwarts this approach because it kinda-sorta requires a form to be saved before using it in "view" mode. But this makes it doubly hard. A5 already makes it necessary to keep an external record to keep track of what functions/scripts you've changed or not changed, now it's necessary to keep an external record to keep track of what forms you've changed, since unless you've been meticulous about not-saving, every table you've opened a form for is going to have a falsely-late date according to the OS.

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        #4
        RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

        I agree with the Blake on the "save form" issue. It would be nice if A5 could tell when the form had actually been edited and not prompt if the form hadn't been changed.

        For GLOBAL scripts and functions, there are two possibilities for checking what was recently changed....

        1. There is a setting ('on' by default??) that puts the user name and date/time stamp on each script whenever it is edited. From what I've seen, this seems to be pretty accurate. It shouldn't be too hard to create a routine to read those dates and display a list in descending date/time order.

        2. You can right click on the code tab and select "recent files". UNFORTUNATELY, this is only "most recently accessed" and does not take into account the last edit date.

        Since the same date/time stamp is added to all the layout scripts (buttons, events, etc.), it should also be possible to get these but it could take a lot more time because each form has to be opened one at a time to check the scripts. I'll see about adding this capability to my AIMS App Analyzer. A normal run to check those scripts could take quite awhile because of all the other things being done at the same time. However, I might be able to come up with something much faster.

        Cal Locklin
        www.aimsdc.net

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          #5
          RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

          Thanks, Cal, that would be peachy.

          Let me ask you this: Would it be possible to modify your program in such a way that the output could be fed into a CVS? This would make it easier to "version" an A5 app, and make it possible to both tightly control changes among multiple programmers without losing their work (because you missed something).

          I guess I should rephrase that: I'm sure it's possible. I wonder what you'd consider the likelihood of such a thing."s"

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            #6
            RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

            What you are both saying is true. Which is why we need a new controlpanel and a new adb file that handles all of this along with proper date & time stamps among other features.
            Peter
            AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

             [email protected]
            https://www.alphabasesolutions.com

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              #7
              RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

              I'm not sure I understand what you want to put in the CSV file. Just the script name, date, and time? (And, if it's reasonable to get them, the form and object names for layout scripts?)

              If you are talking about exporting the search results from the App Analyzer, the first step of the App Analyzer (the "documentation" step) creates a table that you can access. It has all the info re: table, layout, object, and script/expression text. The "search" functions in the App Analyzer simply automate the search process on that table. You could open the table, query it, and export it to any format you want. Other than that, the current format of the output (see example) doesn't lend itself to the CSV format.

              Cal Locklin
              www.aimsdc.net

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                #8
                RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

                Hmmmm. Acronym trouble, as Daffy Duck might say.

                Not CSV (Comma Sepatated Values).

                CVS (Concurrent Versioning System).

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                  #9
                  RE: Do you want to save? Are you insecure?

                  Oops. Sorry.

                  (A) I wasn't paying enough attention.
                  (B) Don't really know much about CVS. (Isn't that a drug store?)

                  Cal Locklin
                  www.aimsdc.net

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