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**Edward Larrabee** · 02-16-2006, 09:54 AM

You have to remember that, if there is a bug here, it occurs very rarely. To confirm that a bug exists, and then to fix it, requires a repeatable scenario. If anyone can come up with one, we would like to hear about it.

**gboot1tc** · 03-03-2006, 09:20 AM

Just when i thought it was safe to go back into the water yet another componant has dissapeared. I dont know if this helps but it seems to be the same componant that disapears. It is a navigation componant called mainmenu, i also have another nav componant that has never disapeared. There seems to be no ryme or reason for this to happen!

**gboot1tc** · 03-03-2006, 09:31 AM

Yet another thing i have noticed. I was about to make an adjustment to my index.a5w page, but when i openend it for editing it just opend a blank page!?!?!?!?!

**Edward Larrabee** · 03-03-2006, 10:11 AM

If you open an .A5W page and the contents are blank, do not save it. Open it in Notepad, Textpad, or another HTML editor. The Microsoft ActiveX control that Alpha Five uses to display pages will do this when it finds HTML that it doesn't like.

**gboot1tc** · 03-03-2006, 10:15 AM

More info

When I open the Index.a5w in the A5w page editor, it shows that the page is blank. When I view source it shows the following code:

HTML Code:

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html><head><title></title>
<meta http-equiv=Content-type content="text/html; charset=unicode">
<meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR></head>
<body>
<p>&nbsp;</p></body></html>

If I open the same page in a text editor I get the following code:

HTML Code:

<html>
<head>

<%a5
Delete tmpl_LoginDialog
DIM tmpl_LoginDialog as P
tmpl_LoginDialog = a5w_load_component("LoginDialog")
'Following code allows you to override settings in the saved component, and specify the component alias (componentName property).
'Tip: Keep the componentName property short because this name is used in page URLs, and it will help keep the URLs short.
'Each component on a page must have a unique alias (componentName property).
with tmpl_LoginDialog
	componentName = "LoginDialog"
end with 
'=======================================compute the HTML for the Component=======================================
delete x_LoginDialog
dim x_LoginDialog as p
tmpl_LoginDialog.request = request
tmpl_LoginDialog.session = session
tmpl_LoginDialog.response = response
tmpl_LoginDialog.serversetting = serversetting
tmpl_LoginDialog.PageVariables = local_variables()
x_LoginDialog = a5w_run_Component(tmpl_LoginDialog)
'=============================================================================================================
if x_LoginDialog.RedirectURL <> "" then 
	response.redirect(x_LoginDialog.redirectURL)
	end
end if 
?x_LoginDialog.Output.Head.JavaScript
?x_LoginDialog.Output.Head.CSS_Link
%>
<!--Alpha Five Temporary Code Start - Will be automatically removed when page is published -->
<!--CSS for tmpl_LoginDialog -->
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="file:///C:\Program Files\A5V7/css/Corporate/style.css">
<!--Alpha Five Temporary Code End -->

<meta name="generator" content="Alpha Five HTML Editor">
<title>Home Page</title>
</head>
<body  class="CorporatePageBODY">
<body onload="document.LoginDialog.USER_NAME.focus();">

<p>
<%a5 
session.__protected__SecurityLevel = 1
session.centre = "none"
session.user = "none"
session.userid = "none"
session.__protected__valid = "none"
session.reset()
%>
<table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=700 align=center bgColor=#e0dacc 
background="" border=0>
  
  <tr>
    <td><img style="WIDTH: 700px; HEIGHT: 100px" src="header.png"></td></tr>
  <tr>
    <td background="" bgColor=#c0c0c0><strong><em><font face=Verdana 
      size=2>
      <p align=center><font face=Verdana color=#008000 
      size=5><strong><em>Tamworth &amp; Lichfield 
      College<br>   
      </em></strong></font><strong><em><font face=Verdana 
      color=#008000 size=5>IT Centre Database</font></em></strong></p></font></em></strong></td></tr>
  <tr>
    <td>
      <p align=left><font size=1></font>&nbsp;</p></td></tr>
  <tr>
    <td>
      <p align=center><table width="90%" border="0" bgcolor="#fafafa" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="center" 
      background="">
	<tr>
		<td>&nbsp;</td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
		<td>&nbsp;
 
      <table align=center>
        
        <tr>
          <td><%a5 ?x_LoginDialog.Output.Body.Dialog_Echo %></td></tr>
        <tr>
          <td><%a5 ?x_LoginDialog.Output.Body.Xbasic_Code_Errors %></td></tr>
        <tr>
          <td><%a5 ?x_LoginDialog.Output.Body.Dialog_HTML %></td></tr></table></td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
		<td>&nbsp;</td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
		<td>
            <p align=center>&nbsp;<font size=3>Please Log Out of the Database 
            when not in use</font></p></td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
		<td>
            <p align=center><strong><font size=2>  &nbsp;If&nbsp;inactive for 
            more than 30min the database will automatically Log you 
            OUT</font></strong></p>
            <p align=center><strong><font 
        size=2></font></strong>&nbsp;</p></td>
	</tr>
</table></p></td></tr>
  <tr>
    <td background="" bgColor=#0000ff>
      <p dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" align=left><font face=Verdana><font 
      color=#ffffff size=2><strong>  &nbsp;Copyright 2005 Tamworth &amp; 
      Lichfield College&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size=1>(Database version 
      0012005)</font></strong></font></font></p></td></tr></table></p>
</body></html>

If i post the above code into my index page from the a5w editor, the code disapears when refreshed.

**chandran** · 03-03-2006, 01:00 PM

I have been experiencing this 'missing components' ever since I started using Alpha Five V7. I have not used Alpha Five before.

I do not agree with Edward Larrabee's observation that it at all this happens, it is rare. It happens so frequently that Alpha Five have to find a solution. This reports on this thread is enough proof to activate serious troubleshooting.
I am making a copy for each of the components so that when something is missing, I just replace them. This is not the way a software should be used.

**JerryBrightbill** · 03-03-2006, 01:18 PM

HTML Code:

<body class="CorporatePageBODY">
<body onload="document.LoginDialog.USER_NAME.focus();">

You have 2 <body> tags. Remove one and the code is fine.

**peteconway** · 03-05-2006, 07:36 AM

Happend to me this week.

Steve & Steve make certain you are backed up, it will happen. I was a doubting Thomas but it did strike and I really felt it. Lost hours of work.

**Steve Wood** · 03-05-2006, 02:10 PM

I operate under that general assumption for all programs, and my car keys.

**rjonas** · 03-08-2006, 08:21 PM

I have had this happen at least 5 times. When attempting to open a web component, an error message appears, stating that the actual component cannot be found or may be corrupted. If I go to an a5w page that includes the missing component, right click, then select "Edit Comonent", the same error message appears. This IS an A5 bug and the number of users experiencing this issue is convincing proof.

**Hansolo** · 03-08-2006, 11:57 PM

It is interesting that you actually have the component visible to attempt to open it. I think most of us experience the component vanishing (deleted) from the components list so that we don't even get the option to try and open it (unless we open the .a5w page that embeds the component). We also find that the component is missing (deleted) from the default database directory. I think the corruption message is a mistake in the Alpha5 error code. If the component file does not exist it also cannot be corrupt.

My .a5w page that references the missing component will work initially (for some reason) but once saved the embedded component vanishes from the .a5w page, including the a5w code.

I think this is going to be a tough one for the Alpha team! I just hope it is limited to the development environment and does not start occurring on the WAS with the published version of the components.

CHuck

Originally posted by rjonas

I have had this happen at least 5 times. When attempting to open a web component, an error message appears, stating that the actual component cannot be found or may be corrupted. If I go to an a5w page that includes the missing component, right click, then select "Edit Comonent", the same error message appears. This IS an A5 bug and the number of users experiencing this issue is convincing proof.

**Steve Wood** · 03-09-2006, 03:53 AM

I worry about this one even though it has never happened to me. Fundamentally there must be a reason why it happens to some and not others. Statistically, if it was a non-environment issue, it would have happend to me by now (I publish 30+ times a day with development on two different computers). So, I wanted to suggest that for you guys that have had this happen, jot down the scenario. Maybe there is a correlation, and maybe for us guys that have never had it happen, we can spot what makes our environment different. For example:

Does it happen equally when publishing to localhost and server?
What is your workstation OS, Server OS?
What virus protection software are you running?
Does it happen equally when publising ALL files, or with the Publish New/Updated box checked?
What are the names of the missing components (looking for reserved words, odd syntax, etc.)
Always the same components that disappear, or random?
Equally for dialog components, grid components, etc.?
Are the components really gone (or attribute changed to hidden)?
If more than one, are the missing components related (same table)?

**gboot1tc** · 03-09-2006, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Steve Wood

I worry about this one even though it has never happened to me. Fundamentally there must be a reason why it happens to some and not others. Statistically, if it was a non-environment issue, it would have happend to me by now (I publish 30+ times a day with development on two different computers). So, I wanted to suggest that for you guys that have had this happen, jot down the scenario. Maybe there is a correlation, and maybe for us guys that have never had it happen, we can spot what makes our environment different. For example:

Does it happen equally when publishing to localhost and server?
What is your workstation OS, Server OS?
What virus protection software are you running?
Does it happen equally when publising ALL files, or with the Publish New/Updated box checked?
What are the names of the missing components (looking for reserved words, odd syntax, etc.)
Always the same components that disappear, or random?
Equally for dialog components, grid components, etc.?
Are the components really gone (or attribute changed to hidden)?
If more than one, are the missing components related (same table)?

Hi Steve

It is difficult to say when the component goes missing because you dont miss it until you need to edit it. I am running winxp pro and we have a win 2003 server. All the local files and components are stored on my laptop and also backup up on a network store. I have found components being lost from both the local version and the backup version, but to get round this i zip my backup and this seems to solve that problem. We are using McAfee virusScan Enterprise 8.0.0 virus checker. The components seem to disappear at random but just recently it seems to be a navigation component called mainmenu and another navigation component called adminmenu, also my login dialog disappears from time to time. The components definitely disappear and are not hidden and there seems to be no related disappearances.

I hope this helps a little sorry i cant give you more!!!!!!

gary

**Steve Wood** · 03-09-2006, 12:36 PM

Man, so much for my environment thought - I have the exact same config; win 2003 server, laptop xp pro, mcafee 8.0.

**Peter.Greulich** · 03-09-2006, 12:39 PM

Could this be the reason?

Originally posted by Edward Larrabee

There are 3 issues to understand here. First, you cannot ever copy WYSIWYG content between 2 different editors. Second, in general you can copy SOURCE content between 2 different editors. Third, the Alpha Five HTML Editor is limited to supporting a very early version of HTML. It will discard many HTML tags that it doesn't understand. In extreme circumstances, it will discard the whole page if it sees HTML tags that it does not like. This is why we have the Open With function that allows you to use other editors, such as Notepad, Textpad, Dreamweaver, etc.

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