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    Is there any way to give someone the rights to run operations but not do design layout changes? It looks like operations that change information (appends, imports, etc) are tied into the "design" security options. I trust people to run operations but not with the layouts!

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    An off-line source recommend using a custom toolbar that didn't have the design button on it. This would prevent people from accidentally getting into the design. It would still be accessible on the control panel, in a place less apt to be accidentally accessed. If anyone else has any suggestions, please let me know!

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    Assuming you are using Alpha Five's built-in security model, all you have to do is set the Design permission to Deny on layouts and the Run permission to Grant.
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    I tried doing that, but "design" is connected to operations that import, append, etc. With "run" you can do queries, but operations that change data won't run without "design" being given. At least when I tried it, this is how it worked. I don't see a separate "layout" option, just "design."

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    Layouts are forms, browses, and reports. They have separate security settings. Maybe I am confused at what you are trying to do.
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    I want employees to be able to run operations that append, import, export, etc., but don't want them to be able to make design layout changes in forms. With run, you can run reports, queries, etc., but not operations that actually change information (append, import, export, etc.) which appear connected to "design". If I give them "design" rights, I'm afraid someone will alter the form's design (e.g., change a field name, move the form in the grid, etc.) It seems like these type operations would be a "change record" item, but they don't appear to be. I hope this makes sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twebb
    I want employees to be able to run operations that append, import, export, etc., but don't want them to be able to make design layout changes in forms. With run, you can run reports, queries, etc., but not operations that actually change information (append, import, export, etc.) which appear connected to "design". If I give them "design" rights, I'm afraid someone will alter the form's design (e.g., change a field name, move the form in the grid, etc.) It seems like these type operations would be a "change record" item, but they don't appear to be. I hope this makes sense!
    I think there is fundamental misunderstanding here...Permissions are assigned on an object-by-object basis. Giving someone run or design rights to a form or report has no effect on their permissions to an operation.

    Operations don't have records, and neither do reports or forms, thus only tables have change record permissions.
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    Maybe I am totally missing something! I know you can set security individually on forms, and also on the control panel. What I am doing is right clicking on the control panel, choosing "set security" and looking at the options. In form, you only have design, run and delete options from what I see under set security, the control panel gives more options, which is why I am using it.

    All I know is that if I don't give someone "design" rights, they can't run my append, export, import operations, but if I do, they can. But if I do, they can also get into design and move objects around in the forms themselves.

    What am I missing?!

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    What are you setting design rights on? The table, the operation, the form? If you right click on whitespace on the operations tab, you are setting permissions for all operations, but NOT layouts. If you right click on whitespace on the forms tab, you are setting permissions for all forms, but NOT operations or any other class of object. A permission is specific to whatever object you are operating on. If you right click on an individual operation and set design permission, that is separate from any other object. Table rights are completely separate from operation rights or layout rights.

    To summarize, if you set permissions for "My Operation", it has no effect on the permissions for "My Form."

    Have you read the documentation at support.alphasoftware.com on the security model and it's hierarchical nature?
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    Aaron, thank you very much for giving me this last bit of information. I was working from the manuals and the class I took, and just wasn't aware of permissions by object. I'm sure this'll do the trick. Thank you for your patience! Tina

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