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    Default Alpha5V7 still as slow as V6

    First I just bought the upgrade to A5V7 desktop because I had bought V5V6 laste last year and had problems with it taking forever to laod. We what I got after the upgrade is A5V7 web instead of A5V7 Desktop. It's just about as slow loading as V6 was.

    Does anyomne know if A5V7 Desktop is faster loading because it isn't web based and does not try and load all the crap with it?

    I really did not like V6 because of this same issue. I build desktop applications and have no need or desire for web applications. I thought when I upgradded to V7 it would be an improvement over V6 but its not.

    Is there any way to speed up the loading of V7?

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    Hi Fred,

    I have no problems loading my desktop applications in the full version of Alpha Five V7. Perhaps there is something in the application itself, or the computer. How much RAM do you have?

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    Default A5V7 Slow

    Actually I have 1gb Ram and a 3.02 GB processor. It seems a bit slower than the A5V5 version onloading. I wanted to know if the desktop version was any faster as thats what I should have gotton instead of the web version. When I moved to V6 my clients got mad at the very slow loading time so I had to switch them back to V5.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Lemire
    Hi Fred,

    I have no problems loading my desktop applications in the full version of Alpha Five V7. Perhaps there is something in the application itself, or the computer. How much RAM do you have?

    Good luck

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    The startup routines of desktop and full versions are identical

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    Default Still slow

    V7 is still slow loading. The program runs a bit faster than V6, but neither runs as quick as V5 did. V6 hogged 100% of the CPU time and I haven't checked to see if V7 also does. I have a P4 with 2 gigs of RAM so resources are not an issue. My biggest beef with V7 is that the upgrade is 99% for web-based databases and 1% (that might be strecthing it a bit) for a desktop app. Not much here for the desktop user who already has V6 or even V5 for that matter. But Alpha has to generate some revenue too. It's a shame that the browse couldn't have been updated for this release. I'll be pissed when I have to spend another 100 bucks just to get an acceptable browse control.

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    V6 was definitely slower for the initial load time than v5. V7 brought most (but not all) of that speed back - at least for the initial load and a few other things seem to be better also.

    HOWEVER, I too am taking flak from customers that were used to version 5 and are now using version 7. (We skipped v6 because of speed issues.) They could type as fast as they wanted in v5 without problems. In v7, using the same basic app with only a few upgraded features for v7, they are able to type so fast that it can't keep up and something ends up crashing.

    I'm having trouble getting specifics because the typical answer to "what's failing?" is, "Well, just everything. It all depends on where I am, how much and how fast I've been typing."

    Please note - these people's fingers absolutely FLY. I recall a secretary we had years ago who was confirmed at over 80 WPM and that's what these people are like.

    It's a real problem when people say the new features I've added are nice but now they have to slow down for everything else and that wastes their time. I hope version 8 brings back the speed and, whatever you do, please don't slow it down any more.

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    Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth...

    V7 loads very slow for me compared with V5. When I click on my desktop shortcut for an app it requires 33 seconds for my startup form to appear.

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    The comments on really USING A5 scare me.

    Just timed A4v6 loading on my notebook it took 43 seconds
    A5V7 took 1min 16,on the same computer.

    In each case I time to opening a database.

    I wonder why I am reluctant to move all my 100 Mgb form A4 to A5

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    Default Just as I figured - This is my last upgrade

    I'm done! I tired of thses upgrades and getting less performance. I've been building apps in A5V5 for years now and have been disipointed in both V6 and V7. When is Alpha (if ever) going to learn that most of us build desktop applications and not web based applications. The desktop market is where 99% of my clients want to be - not the web. Why does Alpha think that there is some great market out there for web based databases? I do not care what version is next, untill Alpha gets back to it's roots and Proves it can perform like V5 only better I don't wnat to upgrade anymore.

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    Default Works for me!

    Hey Fred,

    Although I do find it a little slower at loading than A5v5, I just loaded a few of my applications in the full version and the runtime - 20 to 27 secs. I find this load up time acceptable for my apps.

    Perhaps your apps are doing some heavy work in the autoexec or main form initialization. Could some of these things be done differently?

    Maybe you should try loading a very simple app and time it. If it's taking longer than 20 secs with the type of machine that you mentioned above, something is terribly wrong with your setup. Otherwise, post some of your initialization routines and see if some of the people here can suggest better, more efficient ways to do what you have.

    Just a construct thought!

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    Just two quick notes.

    1) We do take these posts very seriously

    2) While many new customers are being drawn to Alpha Five for it web capabilites, we do understand that many of our existing customers are still very much desktop oriented and it would be in our collective best interest not to lose sight of this.
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    Im not one to really be able to put in their 2 cents as to how fast or slow it runs compared to other versions as Im new to Alpha5. Theres a lot more people here who know more about Alpha5 then i probably ever will.

    I ordered alpha5 before the last $99.00 promo ended. I however due to personal, work and time have not even had time to activate it yet. Let alone really be able to sit down and work at it.
    This post concerns me, as a new user I really have no need for the web version either.
    I think that being a new user that the web version may add additional bloat to the program that the typical new user (such as myself) looking for just a basic database may find it "a little much" and would only add to the fustration of trying to figure out the program with all its web capabilites.

    I wanted to take advantage of the last 99.00 offer. If I would have known that there was going to be a Desktop version available I would have waited and purchased it.

    I feel somewhat slided, Yeah you can say that for the same amount of money im getting the web version. I however at this point cant see myself ever needing the web version, and if having the web version is going to slow down my learning curve, then all the more reason that I should have gotten the desktop version.
    I see no compairson on the alpha site, comparing the desktop version to the web version

    I think its great that Alpha has seen this need to offer both versions.
    On another suggestion alpha may want to consider a upgrade price for those who would like to jump ship from the desktop version to the web version. Seems kinda silly to pay 199.00 for the desktop version and then down the road if you need the web version to pay another 349.00 on top of that.

    Even though I dont know Alpha and all it capabilities I would have ordered the desktop version instead. Just from the stand point of not needing the web stuff.

    Sorry to ramble....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Daniel
    I'm done! I tired of thses upgrades and getting less performance. I've been building apps in A5V5 for years now and have been disipointed in both V6 and V7. When is Alpha (if ever) going to learn that most of us build desktop applications and not web based applications. The desktop market is where 99% of my clients want to be - not the web. Why does Alpha think that there is some great market out there for web based databases? I do not care what version is next, untill Alpha gets back to it's roots and Proves it can perform like V5 only better I don't wnat to upgrade anymore.
    As a die hard desktop guy, I agree with the slowness issue. V7 is faster than v6, but v5 is faster than v6 or v7. On the other hand, personally, I'm looking hard at the web capabilities, which:

    A) is the future, and
    B) is radically different than the desktop

    But the truth is, more and more companies are looking to move to the web. I just finished a two-day training program w. Jerry Brightbill and I'm quite impressed. A lot of the web capabilities requires some understanding on how the web handles data and html, which in turn determines speed. There is a lot to be sacrificed when moving from the desktop to the web, but there are gains, as well.

    But the desktop is going to be around for another 5-10 years so Alpha can't ignore it either. Desktop speed and functionality is important, but you can say what you will, the web is the future.

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    Default Peter is right in a way

    I would hope that Peter is right and the web is the future but I think mainly for large corporations. I build apps for small and medium companies and find that most do not want to go to the internet. Actually many are afraid of security issues and speed. many users out there still do not have high speed access. I also work for a large corporation that has a web based order entry system with large databases and forms. Only users with fast machines and high speed internet can use the program. Dial up and modems can for get it. I get complaints every day on this issue. Most if not all of my clients say they want to keep their data on the desktop or server where they have complete control over it.

    The web may be the future but I think far more than 5-10 years away.

    I surveyed the last 15 clients I've built applications for and not one of them had any want or need for web based data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Daniel
    I would hope that Peter is right and the web is the future but I think mainly for large corporations. I build apps for small and medium companies and find that most do not want to go to the internet. Actually many are afraid of security issues and speed. many users out there still do not have high speed access. I also work for a large corporation that has a web based order entry system with large databases and forms. Only users with fast machines and high speed internet can use the program. Dial up and modems can for get it. I get complaints every day on this issue. Most if not all of my clients say they want to keep their data on the desktop or server where they have complete control over it.

    The web may be the future but I think far more than 5-10 years away.

    I surveyed the last 15 clients I've built applications for and not one of them had any want or need for web based data.

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    Fred,

    You are right, of course. Speed & security is a big issue on the web. Especially speed, since you can pretty much manage security. But the web will get faster, and Alpha is working on AJAX for v8, so the Alpha WAS will be faster too. Some of the great benefits of using the web for a db are: no client software, no shadowing, no installs, no form management/sizing/text sizing issues, will basically run in any browser - including MACs! Not to mention, the web's main purpose in life - remote access. So there are some compelling reasons for even small companies to move webward, as it were. On the other hand, I suppose, the desktop will be around in 10-years. Heck, DOS is still around today, or at least that what I've heard.

    Like I said. I'm a real desktop diehard, but the benefits of the web/WAS are very seductive, despite the relative loss of speed. But I also agree that Alpha needs to address the desktop. That's what I still use. But maybe I won't in the near future...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Daniel
    I would hope that Peter is right and the web is the future but I think mainly for large corporations. I build apps for small and medium companies and find that most do not want to go to the internet. Actually many are afraid of security issues and speed. many users out there still do not have high speed access. I also work for a large corporation that has a web based order entry system with large databases and forms. Only users with fast machines and high speed internet can use the program. Dial up and modems can for get it. I get complaints every day on this issue. Most if not all of my clients say they want to keep their data on the desktop or server where they have complete control over it.

    The web may be the future but I think far more than 5-10 years away.

    I surveyed the last 15 clients I've built applications for and not one of them had any want or need for web based data.

    Fred
    Fred, I think you may be missing an important point.

    Web database applications don't necessarily have ANYTHING to do with the Internet.

    Even small companies are attracted to the idea that they can deploy an application in their organizations without having to install anything on each user's desktop. Just put the app on the server and have the user point their browser at the server (which would be running on a server inside the company's firewall and not even accessible to the internet).

    That's the great attaction of Web based applications, and I suspect that you could easily interest your customers in Web based applications if you described the benefits of this scenario to them.

    I agree that not everyone needs to build a shopping site like Amazon.com. But most consultants are creating multi-user applications that are used by several users within an organization. Web based applications can be very attractive in this scenario. These are often called 'intranet' applications, and I think that you will find more and more customers demanding this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selwyn Rabins
    Fred, I think you may be missing an important point.

    Web database applications don't necessarily have ANYTHING to do with the Internet.

    Even small companies are attracted to the idea that they can deploy an application in their organizations without having to install anything on each user's desktop. Just put the app on the server and have the user point their browser at the server (which would be running on a server inside the company's firewall and not even accessible to the internet).

    That's the great attaction of Web based applications, and I suspect that you could easily interest your customers in Web based applications if you described the benefits of this scenario to them.

    I agree that not everyone needs to build a shopping site like Amazon.com. But most consultants are creating multi-user applications that are used by several users within an organization. Web based applications can be very attractive in this scenario. These are often called 'intranet' applications, and I think that you will find more and more customers demanding this.

    Whilst I agree with you and I would quite like to develop for the web but, unless I have missed something, one of the problem is going to be cost, I write databases that I almost 'give away' to charities / not for profit organisations and whilst one of these organisations does support me to purchase the A5Vx developer software and the runtime licences, (in return for writing their databases) if I moved over to web delivery, any other organisation that I wanted to be able to pass the software on to would need to buy a WAS licence to run it, as I can't give it away in the same way as I can with the runtime.

    I have found quite a few bits of the latest versions (6&7) which have helped me but I would like to see much more for the desktop writer, particularly on the browse and possibly a full gui enviroment for writing xdialog screens.

    But I would still say that I don't think I have found a comparible product to A5 with which to develop databases.

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    Default OK Why not have both

    Why cant Alpha just strip out the Web stuff that slows down the application for desktop users and developers. I have now purchased both V6 anb V7 including the runtimes and still have to use V% to build applications for clients because of speed. Now I've learne that the new desktop version still has a lot of the web stuff in it and is still slower than V5 is. What the heck! Why cant they just build a version like V5 with the newer functions and features of V7? Can it be that hard? Still 98% of the calls I get for applications are from users that don't want or have access to fast servers. Most have average computers and many now have laptops that they carry around with them. The company I work for (real job) uses an webbased app that the sales force has to connect to from out in the field. 8% of them say the old DOS based app was far better because of speed and ease of use. They hate the new application. Before they could stop at a customer bring up the lap top and work right on the machine with out connecting to the web. Our competitor is still doing it the old way and is kicking our butts in sales. Latley we hear that many of our guys have trouble getting to our app because of connections.

    One day when the magic web fairy make internet connection fast and accesible for everyone this web app thing will take off but for now and many years to coem the desktop is where it's at. Try walking around a restaurant and taking an inventory on the web.

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    I could be wrong but, with the possible exception of initial startup speed (which isn't really that big of an issue in v7 - some users may notice it but it wouldn't be a big issue if that was the only thing that was slow), I don't believe the speed issues on the desktop have anything to do with the inclusion of the web app "stuff". (sorry for using such technical terms)

    BY THE WAY, let me point out that I've heard only a few speed related complaints from any customer who started with a v7 application. The majority of the complaints have come from previous v5 users who were used to a faster "smoother operating" application.

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    Default Your right! Except

    Thats where the real problem is. Why is the load up time so long. Most of my V5 clients notice it but also I just built a new V7 small ap and he said the very same thing. Why does the program take so long to start up? He is compairing it to everything else he has that loads instantly or at least 10 times faster than V7. Users now days associate slow loading with a problem or error. Why is there not a simple flag or switch that lets it load like V5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Daniel
    Thats where the real problem is. Why is the load up time so long. ... Why is there not a simple flag or switch that lets it load like V5?
    I think Selwyn explained why today. It's the system.aex file, the largest file in the xbasic program. That file contains all (or many of) the functions and scripts that A5 uses. As xbasic is so powerful, the felxibility of the program rests in large part upon these xbasic functions - which are not compiled, as Alpha does not have a native compiler. However Kurt Rayner is working on building a compiler that will compile xbasic functions into C++ code,which in turn would be compiled by the C++ compiler. Only problem is, Kurt says that is several versions away yet. In other words, it's a huge undertaking.

    And the other reason might be (if you have a lot of tables and sets), is that the adb file contains the pointers to both, and when the program loads, it reads the adb and scans the data dictionarys for a list of all forms, reports, operations etc. That takes time. No mention today of a new adb file.
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    There are many facets to this world of database management/development in todays world. Because of that, development applications like v6 and v7 need many different items in them to meet the demand for the various realms.

    An example: Way back in the beginning of wordperfect (for many years the default word processing program for the pc world) had pleading built in. This is what is necessary to put the double lines down the side of a legal document and number the lines. The majority of word processing wasn't done by the legal folks but that feature was built in as it was a recognized need. There were other seldom used features built in that the general public didn't need or use but there were enough specialty users to have them included.

    I have a client that is using an old A4V3 app I made for her about 15 years ago. She loves it and hates the comparable A5 version I have built because it doesn't look and feel like her original app. I have an app being used that started in A4, has been upgraded to A5 and now may become a web app.

    I have been a webmaster so some of what is in here I already know how to use but I will have to learn a lot more to build the web app.

    My point being? I was, and still am, more comfortable with A4 but I have seen the handwriting on the wall. If I stay with A4, I will eventually die (business wise) since eventually they will quit running on different operating systems. So I have learned to live with the issues regarding the windows side and the changes and demand for features that this world has. Eventually, whether now, like the web app I am starting on, or 10 years from now, most of you will have to use web portions of A5 to stay alive in the business world. To me, it just doesn't make sense to buy 2 or 3 or 4 variations of a program to be able to do a job. I prefer to buy one 'full' version that lets me do what I need to do when I need to do it.

    Selwyn, for years, the basis of a lot Alpha Software interest and use has been 'ease of use.' As evidenced here, sophisticated apps are requiring an extensive knowledge of scripting and xbasic so it appears to me that 'ease of use' is falling by the wayside as the 'easy learning curve' that was touted by me and many others is becoming a thing of the past.

    My two cents

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    PS Selwyn, have you had any serious numbers of requests for linux versions like there were several years ago? Times have changed and I thank you for keeping Alpha a fun, albeit at times exasperating, world to develop in with all these wonderful people helping others.
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    Default reply to one point made by Oran

    You say "so it appears to me that 'ease of use' is falling by the wayside as the 'easy learning curve' that was touted by me and many others is becoming a thing of the past."

    I would like to point out that todays newsletter (link below) has a an article focused on the ease of use of Action Scripting. In addition, we are very aware of how important "ease of use" is as a competitive lever for us and you will see renewed focus on it in upcoming releases

    Thanks

    http://www.imakenews.com/alphasoftwa...x000128603.cfm
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    OMG, didn't expect you to be up this time of the night Richard. No offense was intended in my comment, just an observation.

    Thx

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    Not to worry Oran - no offense taken at all.

    I just wanted to emphasize a point we made emphatically at the conference - the productivity of people using Alpha Five is our main mission. We know that ease of use is a VITAL factor in making people more productive.

    For example we showed how, in future versions of Alpha Five, AJAX enabling web apps will be possible with literally one checkbox on an Alpha Web component (vs extensive coding by a well trained developer).

    Thanks!
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    Default Alpha lost sight of me (a desktop user) a while back

    I will say for those complaining about V7 running slow that it now boots in 8 1/2 seconds on my machine thanks to the a5.exe -nodbCheck/ switch. Once it loads fast, it does everything V5 did only slower. For a reasonably priced non-programmers database, I've spent a fortune and go back to msAccess or Alpha's V5, even after just puchasing V6 (ugh!) and V7 on a long shot that 7.5 might have the browse update (and be free) which was needed to justify any desktop update from v5 to begin with.

    I have purchased A4 DOS V2,3,4. A5 Windows V1 (that version was downright frauduent), V4, V5, V6 V5 3-user runtime, the Calender runtime addin, Aims code formatter, A5 doc, and finally V7. Call me optimistic or stupid. The sole purpose of getting V7 is in hopes that someone will provide me with my V5 lic filr (I have the key) (which I mis-placed for V5) so that I can use my 3 user runtime of V5 to distribute an app. I've emailed my original download purchase documents, emails and receipts, but have been pased off by an email tekkie to Marina who wants me to call her after work when she's no longer at work, to discuss something/ I just want my lic. file unless she's going to offer me a free V7 runtime as a rebate for all the bucks I've put into Alpha only to be where I was 4 years ago. That would only result in my v5 apps running slower so that's not a wise option, if it were. Nothing personal Marina.

    I think until Swelyn decides what kind of program he intends Alpha to be, HTML or a RDMS perhaps it should be open-source.

    Other than the loss of speed, a function or two that I'll never use and some xdialog that I'll never use. I purchased the original XBase for Everyone along with the recent release as well as the $129.00 3,000 page print-on-demand reference covering pages of "non-programmers" information. Face it, you're not going too far with Alpha without programming. Access has just as many builders and more macros than A5 and in reality the easiest one is always the one you learn first and has the most resources i.e. services and third party addins. Most of those who learned Access first (and it's not difficult) say it's the easiest. Those with no DB experience who learn Alpha will naturally say it's easiest but wait until they try to use the skills and syntax with something else. It's a dead end,What is most important is RE-USE of the code you do write where unfortunately A5 scores poorly. It's a stretch to call Access object oriented and not even a passing thought to consider it for A5. The code library is just another A5 database with a pile of functions in to shorten the list of functions in the main db. You can string a bunch of databases together leaving tables out of some and call it a db with libraries. No modules, classes or the likes to help out. Some say that because it's xbase that it cant be done, but look at Visual FoxPro. It has one of the richest OOP environments out there and custom classes, inheritance many levels deeper than one should ever use. So it can be done with xbase.

    Obviously, I'm a bit sore that after having spent thousands of dollars on Alpha products, all I want is my lic. file for my trustworthy V% so I can distribute with my 3 user runtime. I can't fathom spending the $ on the V7 runtime to generate slower programs few if any noticeable new features.

    For those using the web server...more power to you and I mean that literally. You need more power to keep up with the new reasonably priced web based application generators hitting the market every 6 weeks or so. There are some rather expensive (but GREAT ones with OOP i.e. Iron Speed Designer & Visual Data Flex, each around 2 thousand bucks. Then there's NAMO AT 79.00 bucks that you add your own database tables to from many sources. I think that Alpha has it backwards in that they still can ride the desktop database market for a few years (if actually improve it rather than just the web server). The way I see it A5 V7 should be called A5.2 and the Designer should be V1.5 of a different product. The last two releases misrepresent the scope of the desktop improvements and especially the non-programmer issue. There's an ancient db called "My Database" for 48 bucks that can record some macros stay neck and neck with Alpha if you omit the volumes of xbasic and xdialog one must learn to really make Alpha it hum.

    I figure that since 2000, I've spent over a $1,200.00 on Alpha five and all of it's changes. For 90 bucks, I upgraded my Access 97 to Access 2003 and it does it all. Plenty of books available, Free at the library, code re-use, simple sytax which is similar to the other office programs, unbound forms without having to switch to a new language ala xdialog just to have a custom dialog box that can answer yes/no/maybe. Just give me my V5 back and call it whati really is. A powerful RDMS that uses a language that survived Microsoft and differs from the others. It might have a builder or two that Access doesn't and vice versa, but the App killer is A5's lack of SQL unless you want to spend a bunch more money on additional MYSQL addins or linkers.

    Get your bearings straight. divided your programs into two and move forward with both, not just one with the other dragging on the ground behind it.

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    I have A p4 3.4 GZ WITH 2 MEGS OF RAM AND ITS JUST S-L-O-W. I GOT IT TO LOAD FASTER FOLLOWING ADVICE RE: AFIVE.EXE -/NODBCHECK STARTUP. IT LOADS IN 8.5 SECONDS AND THEN RUNS SLOWER THAN V5 ONCE IT STARTS. IT EVEN SHUTS DOWN TWICE AS SLOW AS V5

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    What I would like to know is if V7 does anything about screen blinking/flashing, ie...

    Any desktop apps that have a number of graphics flash at least twice when the form is activated you add a large image or a repeating background image and it gets really nasty.

    We don't need the WAS portion of the application to develop for the internet as the majority here are internet developers and it takes us far less time to code a database and api than to use alpha to develop it. However, we hoped that Alpha would allow us to create a desktop application that can interact with our servers (linux/mysql) for data retrieval unfortunately we can't move forward with this until the desktop API can function with out flashing blinking etc...

    Therefore, I would like to know if V7 has addressed any of the display issues before I upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thontlb
    The sole purpose of getting V7 is in hopes that someone will provide me with my V5 lic filr (I have the key) (which I mis-placed for V5) so that I can use my 3 user runtime of V5 to distribute an app. I've emailed my original download purchase documents, emails and receipts, but have been pased off by an email tekkie to Marina who wants me to call her after work when she's no longer at work, to discuss something/ I just want my lic. file unless she's going to offer me a free V7 runtime as a rebate for all the bucks I've put into Alpha only to be where I was 4 years ago. That would only result in my v5 apps running slower so that's not a wise option, if it were. Nothing personal Marina.
    Suggest that you post a separate message with regard to your license issue. You might bet better results.

    I can't believe that you really think Alpha is all that bad if you have bought every version and every tool and book. Must be a reason why you stick with it? If Access is so great (maybe it is), why not just stick with that?
    but look at Visual FoxPro
    I have. Man, you are a glutton for punishment. Visual FoxPro gives you the pleasure of hand coding everything from scratch, near as i can tell. No thanks.

    I'm not faulting you, but, you gotta lot of anger dude. I wonder why you stay w. Alpha?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thontlb
    There's an ancient db called "My Database" for 48 bucks that can record some macros stay neck and neck with Alpha if you omit the volumes of xbasic and xdialog one must learn to really make Alpha it hum.
    If that's the same "My Database" I'm thinking about, I don't think so. As far as I could tell, that program was a piece of junk - with extremely limited functionality.
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