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    Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

    I hope i can get this across right.

    In Alpha a form i create i can not move out of the Alpha work space.

    But i can move a toolbar out of the workspace over to my second monitor and even Minimize Alpha and the toolbar will stay up all by it's self.

    Another Example
    The add on calendar can be moved any place out of the Alpha screen area even with Alpha minimized to the tray.

    Other pop up windows and other Alpha forms all can be moved out of the work space.

    Why cant i make a form i make do this? be able to move out of the Alpha work space.

    Can i add some code or something to make this work like this. How is it that the calendar can do this but not a form i make?

    Here is two photos one showing the calendar floating over my desk top with Alpha minimized to the tray.
    The second is showing the Alpha toolbar and a form view from the Alpha tool menu item and Alpha minimized all floating over the desk top not in the Alpha window area. They all can be moved around across my two monitors.
    Can this be done to a Form created in Alpha.
    If the calendar can do it then their must be a way ??

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    Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

    I can't answer your question specifically but I think that part of the answer lies in the way that toolbars can be created.

    Given that toolbars (or a very close fascimile) can be created with a combination of xdialog and xbasic you should take a look at the xdialog lessons and, in particular, the creation of xdialogs with an MDI interface.
    Finian

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      #3
      Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

      The calendar is xdialog, that's why. The toolbar and other dialog is probably xdialog, as well. Forms are not xdialog. That is why.
      Peter
      AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

      [email protected]
      https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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        #4
        Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

        You could do this...
        Last edited by G Gabriel; 05-11-2007, 05:17 AM.

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          #5
          Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

          and..if you wish to get rid of alpha's menu, you can, but make sure you have one of your own that gets you to menu items.

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            #6
            Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

            Gabriel,

            We have seen that idea "floated" before. But it's pretty ugly...

            No offense intended.
            Peter
            AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

            [email protected]
            https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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              #7
              Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

              What is so ugly about it or how is it any different?
              Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder.

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                #8
                Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                Originally posted by G Gabriel View Post
                You could do this...

                This will not work.

                The form only floats with in the Alpha window it can not be moved out side the window and when you minimize Alpha it goes away and dose not stay a float out side Alpha

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                  #9
                  Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                  and why do you want to minimize alpha?

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                    #10
                    Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                    Gabe,

                    He has TWO separate posts for the same question and Marcel has already given him a solution in the other. He is using a toolbar which is XDialog to float overtop of his other application (not A5). The toolbar remains on the desktop when A5 is minimized and so Ed needed a way to keep his toolbar on top. This is actually a very good indicator of the possibilities of using XDialog windows like standard programs outside the Alpha confines.

                    Congratulations Marcel on your solution.

                    Doug

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                      #11
                      Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                      Originally posted by G Gabriel View Post
                      and why do you want to minimize alpha?
                      Doug summed it it for what i am doing.


                      Right now i can make a Toolbar from the code tab that will work out side of Alpha.

                      But i would much rather be able to make a form that looks like a toolbar and have it work out side of Alpha.

                      It would be much more easy to design and add in more things if i can design a form in place of a toolbar.

                      I could use drag and drop buttons and images, Create drop down lists faster, Tabs faster and add in a lot more functions over using only a Toolbar.

                      This is for a tool bar that will float over another program and control it.


                      Can i somehow ad xdialog to a form and make it work like a toolbar out side of the Alpha window.? Like the Calendar

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                        #12
                        Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                        XDialog's are windows unto themselves not a part of a form. Look in the docs as there are numerous items there to explain what it is and how to use it. There are samples to try as well.

                        Doug

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                          #13
                          Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                          Originally posted by G Gabriel View Post
                          What is so ugly about it or how is it any different?
                          Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder.
                          Again, no offense, Gabe. But it's really ugly. In a physical sense.

                          Rosie O'Donnell is really ugly.
                          Donald Trump's wife is really beautiful.
                          Now I can be expansive and non-judgmental and see Rosie as "beautiful" from a certain perspective. But from the ordinary point of view, she is really ugly (well, rather unattractive anyway). You get the point.
                          Peter
                          AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                          [email protected]
                          https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                            #14
                            Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                            It would be much more easy to design and add in more things if i can design a form in place of a toolbar.
                            Did anyone bother to open the zip file?!
                            Is this form floating enough for you? This is alpha floating on top of Word.

                            Peter:
                            I am not really going to spend my time putting cosmetics on the form when the person who asks the question did not even read the response.

                            I am only offering a suggestion for a concept and you could take the time, add the bells & whistles and make it as beautiful as you want.

                            You are not specific in your answer as to where is the ugly part? just saying it's physically ugly does not give me much information. Are you saying that you are out of ideas on how to make it pretty?
                            Last edited by G Gabriel; 05-11-2007, 05:17 AM.

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                              #15
                              Re: Why cant i make a form work like other parts of Alpha

                              Gabriel thank you for giving this a try but i think you are not understanding what it needs to do.

                              I did try out your zip file.

                              It needs to float over another program out of the Alpha program window.

                              A Alpha Toolbar can do this but a Alpha Form can not or atleast i can not see a way to make it do this.

                              Here is a example image of a toolbar I am working on with a drop down list.

                              You can see it is over Photo Shop out of the Alpha Five program window.

                              You can see that Alpha is minimized down to just about nothing in the bottom right corner.
                              When this program is all done I will have Alpha sent to the tray on open and the toolbar will float over Photoshop and stay on top!.

                              Hope this helps.

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