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V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

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    #16
    Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

    The problem with the Dragonfly 3D controls seems to be limited to Vista. Apparently Aero and OpenGL do not play together well. It works fine on XP and also Vista if you turn Aero off. The only other issue I am having has to do with using the control with the Alpha runtime. They (Dragonfly) seems to be very responsive and easy to work with. The controls produce great looking charts (display and printing).
    Bill Griffin
    Parkell, Inc

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      #17
      Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

      This has little to do with the title of this thread. But.....

      Far be from me to suggest anyone use the tools that have long been in Alpha Five to generate charts without any activex stuff, but if you have lots of time to learn and experiment, you can do some simple charts--probably not so simple for all I know. The functions needed are in the Help file somewhere (look for things like ui_bitmap_create(), ui_printer_draw(), ui_shape_round_rect(), etc.). The good thing, from my perspective, is that you do not rely on crappy activex stuff or that a client even has something as dreadful as MS Office loaded. But make no mistake, one needs lots of time and patience to do a chart this way.

      See sample attached of one that I did, as a report.

      Ray

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        #18
        Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

        Very presentable, Ray.
        Peter
        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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          #19
          Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

          Ray,

          It never ceases to amaze me at what can be accomplished with Alpha (and a lot of blood sweat and tears) Fortunately, those crappy (not all are crappy) activex controls can save a LOT of time and money, and produce pretty nice results. For an inexperienced alpha user like myself to be able to see results after a few minutes of playing with it is amazing as well. I am glad Alpha has included support for tools that can be plugged in and usable fairly quickly.
          Bill Griffin
          Parkell, Inc

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            #20
            Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

            I agree that Alpha Five needs graphics that can be produced in minutes by novice users. I just wish they would come up with a way of doing it internally without resorting to things like activex controls, MS Office, etc.. As for rolling your own with Alpha's own raw tools as I have done, I must admit that it is so much work that I have done it only once and I am not aware of anyone else doing anything similar. Still, in my case it was an interesting project and once done it has been working flawlessly for years now. The existence of the raw tools makes me wonder whether someone a lot smarter than me (someone on Alpha's staff, preferably) couldn't use them to build an easy to use genie like graphics tool.

            Ray

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              #21
              Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

              I'm not an excel guru, but the best graphs I've seen were created in excel via xbasic and then put in the report.
              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                #22
                Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                I'm not an excel guru, but the best graphs I've seen were created in excel via xbasic and then put in the report.
                Martin,

                I don't doubt that they are good and even semi easy (though I would argue that novice users need more than some semi easy xbasic).

                But, how can you be sure that a client or prospective client even has Excel? Plus as we move forward in the next decade or so, more and more users and organizations are deciding that they can live without any MS Office product (I almost never use any of it myself). As for activex, I would have to provide and support a good activex tool, something I am not thrilled about doing.

                In my case illustrated in an above post, I wanted a chart that would be totally independent of anything other than Alpha Five (including any provided Simple Chart activex). But in general, I realize that going down that route is not very practical--unless someone as good as I think you are would build a tool--which I only suspect is do-able.

                Ray

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                  #23
                  Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                  Originally posted by Raymond Lyons View Post
                  I agree that Alpha Five needs graphics that can be produced in minutes by novice users. I just wish they would come up with a way of doing it internally without resorting to things like activex controls, MS Office, etc.. As for rolling your own with Alpha's own raw tools as I have done, I must admit that it is so much work that I have done it only once and I am not aware of anyone else doing anything similar. Still, in my case it was an interesting project and once done it has been working flawlessly for years now. The existence of the raw tools makes me wonder whether someone a lot smarter than me (someone on Alpha's staff, preferably) couldn't use them to build an easy to use genie like graphics tool.

                  Ray
                  Possibly on that note, maybe it's a lot of work, but it would also be great if Alpha Five had their own ActiveX charting component to plug into forms and reports - that way they would have even more control on getting it to work, and for developers to tweak charts with XBasic. Just a thought!

                  I did have a way of capturing an image from a chart on a form that would save to a JPG file, referenced in a report that would for the most part print fine - however the programming and effort needed to get that to work for all possible screen resolutions was too much. So on that note..... if anyone was wondering, the SimpleChart people have been in contact with me and expect to have the printing feature from reports fixed by possibly the end of June 2007. Let's hope it happens. I will be touching base with them again mid-May for an update.

                  awj :D
                  Last edited by awj; 05-02-2007, 02:11 PM.

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                    #24
                    Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                    this may be stupid answer (comig from some one that still havent be able to put a graph a report) but why dont you make a "for print" version of your report where you over size you graph so when you print it it doesnt looks too small,
                    *that considering that the generated thumbnail doesnt has a fixed size
                    Cheers
                    Mauricio

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                      #25
                      Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                      Not possible.It does not scale the print size by making the graph larger.

                      I have solved the problem by using the control stated above.

                      thanks
                      Bill Griffin
                      Parkell, Inc

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                        #26
                        Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                        Andrew,

                        BTW the active x control for the bar chart is 60.00 or 120 for a site license, same price for the pie chart control I am not sure if they work on web pages.

                        The folks at Simplechart also confirmed to me that they are working on the printing solution as well and it should be done my the end of this month, early next month.

                        Bill
                        Bill Griffin
                        Parkell, Inc

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                          #27
                          Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                          Oops,

                          Make that towards the end of June, beginning of July

                          Bill
                          Bill Griffin
                          Parkell, Inc

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                            #28
                            Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                            Originally posted by Parkell View Post
                            Andrew,

                            BTW the active x control for the bar chart is 60.00 or 120 for a site license, same price for the pie chart control I am not sure if they work on web pages.

                            The folks at Simplechart also confirmed to me that they are working on the printing solution as well and it should be done my the end of this month, early next month.

                            Bill
                            Thanks for that update on SimpleChart. I have a question for you about that active x control you're referring to above for $60/120 - can we distribute it with our applications to our end users? I couldn't find anything clear on that.

                            thx, awj :)

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                              #29
                              Re: V8 Claims Reports with Graphs supported!?

                              Andrew,

                              http://www.dragonflydas.com/Info.html has the license agreement. It LOOKS like you can distribute it, BUT I originally purchased the single user version and when I used it with a runtime it gave me a message that it was already installed on another system. I imagine that there software cannot distinguish the Alpha runtime from the Alpha development version. Since I have several systems in house, I purchased the site license, which does not give me that message. I only use Alpha in house so it is not an issue for me. I would check with Dragonfly, since it seems that you should be able to distribute the 60.00 version without a problem.

                              Bill
                              Bill Griffin
                              Parkell, Inc

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