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    Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

    I have installed WAS on my dedicated Windows 2003 server.
    I have also installed AlwaysUp per recommendation from this board.

    I am confused as to what is running what? I have told A5 to work with port 82 and that is fine. The problem is I can not really figure out when the A5server is actually up and running.

    By this I mean, I check on my server using Task Manager and it shows under Processes that :

    A5ApplicationServer.exe is running and its user's name is "SYSTEM".

    With this configuration alone I can not access an A5 page from a remote machine.

    However, when I log onto server and start A5 server from the "start" menu, another occurance of :

    A5ApplicationServer.exe is created (in task manager) and it says it's user name is "ADMINSTRATOR"

    Now with this configuration, I can access my test page, and all seems okay.

    Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

    I can't figure out what occurance of WAS is AlwaysUp trying to keep running (IF ANY). In fact AlwaysUP can state that the server is running but I see no A5 icon in the task bar. Only when I start A5 manually do I get the icon and the lite is green, and my app can then run.

    Can someone help with this confusion?
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    Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

    If you make your connection to the remote server using remote desktop, use this syntax to start remote desktop:

    %SystemRoot%\System32\mstsc.exe /console

    The 'console' is the key. It opens as if you were sitting in front. Without that, its like logging in with a different account.

    AlwaysUp has a setting under the LogOn tab to change the user, but you should not need to do that if you follow the above instructions.

    Credit goes to "Gary" for discovering this while we were working on his machine.
    Steve Wood
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      #3
      Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

      Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
      If you make your connection to the remote server using remote desktop, use this syntax to start remote desktop:

      %SystemRoot%\System32\mstsc.exe /console

      The 'console' is the key. It opens as if you were sitting in front. Without that, its like logging in with a different account.
      Steve,

      Unfortunately you may be assuming I know more than I do. I will therefore ask several "pointed" questions that may lead to some success on this issue.
      If you could address each issue, point by point I think it'll act as a learning tool for not only me but for others that may end up facing the same delima.

      1. I have added the /console to my Remote Desktop setup, yet when I get to the remote server's desktop, I see no noticible difference. Should I be able to see something (anything) different at this point? I could "always" see the desktop.


      2. I am STILL using administrator as my user name to log in. Changing it to "system" does not allow me to advance. Do you want me to actually change my User Login name when prompted by remote server?


      3. As stated earlier:

      "when I log onto server and start A5 server from the "start" menu, another occurance of :

      A5ApplicationServer.exe is created (in task manager) and it says it's user name is "ADMINSTRATOR"

      Now with this configuration, I can access my test page, and all seems okay."

      When I refer to access, I am referring to access from the "outside world". Not as an administrator user on this specific machine.


      4. If needed, how can I "kill" the "system" occurance of WAS and have AlwaysUp start the Administrator's version (since that works). I could find no logon/user tab in AlwaysUp as suggested. I want to do the "right thing". Please do not allow my insistance on painting myself into a bad corner.


      5. Even though you gave me a viable solution that may work for most people, could you expand your thoughts (a little more) on what you think was actually taking place.

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        Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

        It is a question of permissions. Administrator has permission to execute the Alpha web server. That is why your page is visible when you login via RDC and start the WAS "manually." You are starting it as Administrator (it is also why the WAS stops if you logoff)

        Similarly for AlwaysUp to run the web server, AlwaysUp must be logged on as Administrator. Use the LOGON tab in AllwaysUp to set the credentials to Administrator and the relevant password.
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          Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

          See the attached graphic for the Logon tab in AlwaysUp.

          Note - I have A5 running as "System" on three servers with no problem. I would bet that no one else has changed this to run as Admin. But if your's appears to work only if your are in as Admin, I can't help but believe changing AlwaysUp to Admin will help. One thing, if you specifically click the Start > Log off button, when you go back using RDC, you will not see the A5 icon. I just click the X to close remote desktop.
          Steve Wood
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            Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

            Steve,

            With your help and that of ZebraHost I was able to piece together a better understanding of my situation. I believe the matter is resolved at this point.

            Thanks.

            Tom

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              Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

              The forum is supposed to be informational for future readers, so please describe what fixed it.
              Steve Wood
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                Re: Will the real Alpha Web Server stand up!!

                Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                The forum is supposed to be informational for future readers, so please describe what fixed it.
                I went into AlwaysUp and told it to use Administrator as the user. Previously it was set up to use "system" and that was not allowing the outside world to recognize port 82 as being serviced by Alpha's Web Server.

                Also, I needed to use the task manager on the server to "eliminate" the several occurances of WAS that it seemed to want to keep initializing. I had to use END TASK under the PROCESS tab to do this. It took several trys because AlwaysUp (I guess) kept restarting the server (WAS).

                A couple of strange things I noticed.
                * AlwaysUp would allow more than one of it's runtime engines to run at the same time. Seems to me that this program should realize that it is already running and then "pop" you over to the active occurance. For years I've been doing this in my own utility software and can't figure out why they would allow multiple runs of the same software.

                * Second, why isn't the Alpha WAS smart enough to know how to keep itself running on the server. In other words, why do I have to purchase another piece of software to do what the original should be able to do "on its own". If nothing else, the WAS should contain a utility like "AlwaysUp" that comes standard and is automatically installed when installing the WAS on a remote server.

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