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    #91
    Re: New Run Engine Question

    Hi Tony,
    The pricing mentioned for the OEM license is the upgrade price, which means that if you have previously purchased any Alpha Five or Alpha Four product, then you are entitled to upgrade pricing.

    Thanks

    Brett

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      #92
      Re: New Run Engine Question

      I just downloaded the V9 help file. From the section titled

      Alpha Five Runtime


      Distributing Runtime Applications - Licensing Issues

      The number of users who can use your application concurrently on any network is based on the type of Runtime that you purchased. The people to whom you distribute the Alpha Five Runtime may not, in turn, distribute any copies of the Alpha Five Runtime. For example, if you purchased an "Unlimited 10-User Runtime", then a maximum of 10 users can use your application concurrently on any particular network. If you purchased an Unlimited User Runtime, then there are no limitations on the number of concurrent users of your application.

      I believe that is the exact same language as V8.

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        #93
        Re: New Run Engine Question

        Originally posted by Alan Lee View Post
        ...
        I believe that is the exact same language as V8.
        Alan,

        I believe you are mistaken. As far as I can tell they are not selling an "unlimited" RT in v9.

        From this link: (removed broken link)

        Run-Engines are licensed per installation, which means that each work station that the Run-Engine is installed on will require a license.
        Last edited by Lenny Forziati; 06-02-2023, 02:49 PM. Reason: removed broken link
        Peter
        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

        [email protected]
        https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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          #94
          Re: New Run Engine Question

          Originally posted by Alan Lee View Post
          I just downloaded the V9 help file. From the section titled

          Alpha Five Runtime


          Distributing Runtime Applications - Licensing Issues...
          I believe that is the exact same language as V8.
          And version 7 for that matter - Unlimited RTs were never available in V8... I believe it usually takes a rather long while to fully update the whole help file...

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            #95
            Re: New Run Engine Question

            I copied and pasted that straight from the V9 help file. Whether or not it is valid, I can not say. The wording was never changed from V8 to V9 was my only point.

            Follow the link provided on the post concerning help file down load and see for you selves.

            I promise I did not make it up.:D

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              #96
              Re: New Run Engine Question

              Originally posted by Alan Lee View Post
              Follow the link provided on the post concerning help file down load and see for you selves.

              I promise I did not make it up.:D
              We never doubted your word, only your interpretation. I bet they will change that.
              Peter
              AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

              [email protected]
              https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                #97
                Re: New Run Engine Question

                Originally posted by Alan Lee View Post
                I copied and pasted that straight from the V9 help file. Whether or not it is valid, I can not say. The wording was never changed from V8 to V9 was my only point.

                Follow the link provided on the post concerning help file down load and see for you selves.

                I promise I did not make it up.:D
                I believe you but I know the help file text is simply not updated as quickly and fully as some stuff on the website...

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                  #98
                  Re: New Run Engine Question

                  Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                  We never doubted your word, only your interpretation. I bet they will change that.
                  Didn't it take over a year for the V8 changes to be fully added to the help file? THen maybe in 2010 the full help file for Platinum will be availavle ;)

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                    #99
                    Re: New Run Engine Question

                    Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                    We never doubted your word,

                    Sure you didn't! :p

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                      Re: New Run Engine Question

                      Andrea, :)

                      This time, I have to disagree with you regarding
                      Unlimited RTs were never available in V8
                      From the version 8 documentation---NOT the help file

                      (broken link removed)
                      Alpha Five Version 8 Runtime Licensing
                      The Alpha Five Version 8 runtimes allow for unlimited distribution per application or an unlimited number of installs per site.
                      Last edited by Lenny Forziati; 05-24-2023, 12:34 PM. Reason: (broken link removed)
                      Mike
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                        Re: New Run Engine Question

                        That section hasn't been changed in forever, I'm sure. But if there is going to be a radical change in runtime licensing, it would probably be a good idea to get that changed ASAP.

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                          Re: New Run Engine Question

                          Originally posted by Alan Lee View Post
                          Could someone from Alpha please reply to each of the following scenarios with short sentences, using small words.

                          1. I write a accounting application for an individual, single user, that I charge a $100. Someone must also pay Alpha $99 for a single user runtime?

                          2. I write a pricing application for a small office with 5 users that I charge $500. Someone must also pay Alpha $399 for a 5 user runtime?

                          3. I write a purchasing application for a office of 10 users that I charge $750. Someone must pay Alpha $599 for a 10 user runtime?

                          4. If I sold each of the applications in the above scenarios multiple times, someone in each case would have to pay for additional runtime licenses?

                          5. What is the difference between a package developer and a custom apps developer? A package developer distributes to many, as opposed to custom apps developer writing an application that they are the primary user?


                          6. How much is the OEM license and how does it work?

                          7. From another post that was never answered:
                          In V9, will it be possible to create an Update operation in Alpha, from the operations tab, that will update a SQL table? Will you be able to Post from a .dbf table in Alpha to a SQL table? Will other Alpha operations have the ability to modify SQL tables?

                          I am anxiously awaiting the answer.
                          Based on an e-mail from sales the answers are:

                          1. yes

                          2. yes

                          3. yes

                          4. yes

                          5. no answer.

                          6. $599 but only a SINGLE user data-base.

                          7. no answer.

                          I guess you could by a 100 user pack for $3399 and divide it across multiple applications. But, I am NOT sure about that.

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                            Re: New Run Engine Question

                            Originally Posted by Alan Lee View Post
                            Could someone from Alpha please reply to each of the following scenarios with short sentences, using small words.

                            I write a accounting application for an individual, single user, that I charge a $100. Someone must also pay Alpha $99 for a single user runtime?

                            Not the case - you would probably use the OEM Run Engine for this, since it is a single user app. The price would be $599 and you can sell your accounting application to an unlimited number of folks


                            I write a pricing application for a small office with 5 users that I charge $500. Someone must also pay Alpha $399 for a 5 user runtime?

                            I write a purchasing application for a office of 10 users that I charge $750. Someone must pay Alpha $599 for a 10 user runtime?

                            Since these are multi user applications you would use the NON OEM Run Engine model- where the cost is on declining scale - i.e. the cost goes down as you buy larger packs of run engines. As an example, it would be $40 per seat if purchased as part of a 50 seat/machine pack or $50 per seat if purchased as part of a 20 seat/machine pack. For a 100 pack the price would be $35 per seat. Run Engines can be used in multiple ways. i.e. a 20 pack can be used to deploy to 10 customers with 2 users or 5 customers with 4 users.

                            Also if you sold the same customer your "pricing application" and your "purchasing application" they would still need only 1 run engine per seat/machine


                            What is the difference between a package developer and a custom apps developer? In Version 9 Run Engines - i dont see that there is a difference


                            6. How much is the OEM license and how does it work?

                            *OEM Package Details (designed for developers building commercial, packaged software)

                            Price: one time flat fee: $599 - this OEM version will be available soon.

                            The OEM Run Engine License package is intended for developers who plan to create and sell packaged software using Alpha Five V9 Platinum. This package provides a more affordable alternative to purchasing per-seat licenses. You can distribute an unlimited number of copies of your software for one flat licensing fee.

                            # Market and sell an unlimited number of copies of your packaged application.
                            # Easily replace the Alpha Banner with your own splash screen.
                            # Includes functionality of Alpha Five Version 8's Runtime Plus License.
                            # Designed for single-user, DBF file applications that don't require SQL connectivity.
                            # Distribute multiple different commercial packaged applications from the same license.
                            Richard Rabins
                            Co Chairman
                            Alpha Software

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                              Re: New Run Engine Question

                              the 85 people/seats I have on 103 machines in v7 would cost about how much? in money? at say 25.00 * 100 = 2500.00? versus the real cost(in v7) of about 500?? ok maybe it was 700?? That is a lot of money and if I add the new sale pending, it will go up by 400? versu 0?

                              That is the thinking Richard.

                              I am forced into spending 3000.00 to go to no runtime royalties per seat. I will also have to duplicate everything I have done and fortunately have some friendly programmers ready to lend a hand for free to get me back to where I am. They never wanted me out of their environment. We always helped each other kinda like this board.

                              I am still trying to help here. Some really good heads on here.
                              Dave Mason
                              [email protected]
                              Skype is dave.mason46

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                                Re: New Run Engine Question

                                Dave on another thread i posted a reply to this reply from you


                                Quote:
                                Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
                                Richard,



                                Per seat means a computer( you would only license the computer) user means the app can be on 200 computers but only the limit osf users can access at one time. I have a 20 nuser runtime and if I don't restrict it, only 20 users can run my app at any given time.



                                Dave - thanks for explaining your requirement - this is helpful.

                                We will look into how this might be achieved
                                Thanks
                                Richard Rabins
                                Co Chairman
                                Alpha Software

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