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V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

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    #31
    Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

    Originally posted by Tom Cone Jr View Post
    Andrea, I don't know if this is what they had in mind, but if you don't buy a runtime or run engine license it's difficult to test your multi-user application on your own network, unless you buy multiple licenses for the full version of course.

    -- tom
    True, but then that's you as the developer, and with the special offer that's easily achieved.

    I ended up getting one anyway, since we need the second developer copy and the single old style RT allows me to give reporting - SQL reports, won't even need passive link tables for now - tools using the new report features, to some of our individual users right now (their needs are very different from each other, and really there's no need for them to wait until I have the specs for the full app for which we will need a set of full RT engines or per site licenses eventually, when this allows me to get their needs met straight away)

    Which RT type a client needs for a custom app depends greatly on their requirements.

    For custom jobs for single users where one client just wants the reporting capabilities, an app with a single RT engine license for $99 does the trick, if you want to brand your app and limit his or her access to the data. If you want to give them complete access and branding doesn't matter, then a full copy of A5 is the way to go.

    Only if they want several users, depending on their needs, a single or multiple user RT, if no Active Link tables are used, becomes more viable. (For two or three, per seat RT engines are cheaper, but then they can't install the app on as many machines as they like, or install a copy on their home PC etc.)
    Last edited by NoeticCC; 03-29-2008, 01:04 PM.

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      #32
      Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

      Originally posted by Tom Cone Jr View Post
      Andrea, I don't know if this is what they had in mind, but if you don't buy a runtime or run engine license it's difficult to test your multi-user application on your own network, unless you buy multiple licenses for the full version of course.

      -- tom
      Tom, you bring up a good point. If, for instance, I need to develop an active linked table app and test it out in a network environment it looks like with the current run engine license scheme I would need to invest in my own run engine license(s) or as you say additional full licenses. For someone that is developing on a home network for deployment in their own business this extra cost hurts.

      This is another reason I have yet to upgrade to V9. I'm still trying to decide whether or not to convert over to a SQL backend for the brunt of the work. The SQL database engines have an awful lot of good things going for them over the dbf format I'm using now. But to make the switch is going to take some effort. I would need to roll this out slowly by switching over the dbf tables one at a time, and after testing at home, deploy it at the office where the real debug invariably takes place.
      Jim Coltz
      Alpha Custom Database Solutions, LLC
      A5CustomSolutions.com
      [email protected]

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        #33
        Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

        i'm a little confused.

        let's say i want to build a document management app for a client. let's say they have 10 users.

        1. what would i purchase if i wanted to create a web based app so all 10 could access it?

        2. what would i buy if i just want to store the db on the server and let the 10 users access it?

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          #34
          Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

          Originally posted by gkeramidas View Post
          i'm a little confused.

          let's say i want to build a document management app for a client. let's say they have 10 users.

          1. what would i purchase if i wanted to create a web based app so all 10 could access it?
          All you need is the Alpha 5 WAS (and a developer edition of Alpha 5)

          2. what would i buy if i just want to store the db on the server and let the 10 users access it?
          For a DBF database, a RT for however many CONSECUTIVE users you need...

          For an SQL database, a 10 user RT...

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            #35
            Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

            it wouldn't be sql and i'm not sure how many concurrent. maybe only 1 or 2, but i'd want all 10 to be able to have access.

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              #36
              Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

              Originally posted by Jim Coltz View Post
              Tom, you bring up a good point. If, for instance, I need to develop an active linked table app and test it out in a network environment it looks like with the current run engine license scheme I would need to invest in my own run engine license(s) or as you say additional full licenses.
              If the objective is just to test the active link table (and whether the SQL link/AlphaDAO link or ODBC driver is set up right) then I'm sure a trial copy of A5 would do just fine?

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                #37
                Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                Originally posted by gkeramidas View Post
                it wouldn't be sql and i'm not sure how many concurrent. maybe only 1 or 2, but i'd want all 10 to be able to have access.
                With only 1 concurrent, but up to 10 different clients, I'd say the $399 1 user RT or $499 3 (concurrent) user RT would be the most suitable...

                But do you really NEED the V9 functionality for this particular project? If yes then fair enough, but upgrading to V9 now won't stop you from using any existing V8 developer licenses or V8 runtimes...

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                  #38
                  Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                  yes, andrea. i think my client wants to utilize the new supercontrol to view pdfs on a form.

                  thanks.

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                    #39
                    Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                    Originally posted by gkeramidas View Post
                    yes, andrea. i think my client wants to utilize the new supercontrol to view pdfs on a form.

                    thanks.
                    In that case the $499 3 user RT seems like it does the trick.. IF you really need there to be 10 or so potential users, with up to 3 consecutive ones... Otherwise the $249 3 seat license would do the trick...

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                      #40
                      Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                      Are you working for Alpha on the side??;)
                      "Ollie, remember how dumb I used to be? Well, I'm much better now."

                      Pete

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                        #41
                        Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                        Gary,
                        You can do that now with version 8 utilizing an activeX object.
                        Mike
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                          #42
                          Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                          Originally posted by DSG View Post
                          Sean;
                          Well, that was sort of my point ... the client would be "better off" buying the full programme, even though it would be way beyond his needs. But that is rather moot, as the reality is his company would not let him buy A5 (at least not let him load it on his PC). The client company's policy is for any software to be loaded on a PC must be "approved". So that means the data I provide him must be in MS Access or more likely in MS Excel (which is what I currently deliver). My thought had been to put a Runtime on a U3 USB thumb drive, so it would never be "installed" on his PC, but at $399 for each time, it doesn't make financial sense.

                          I have since spoken with Richard, explained this in more detail, and he's putting his thinking cap on.
                          Did you get a reply from Richard? Putting A5v9 Pro and/or the RT on a U3 will make my life a lot easier.

                          kenn
                          TYVM :) kenn

                          Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                            #43
                            Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                            Hi Kenn;

                            You might be interested to know that my whole series of questions on this was actually spurred by YOUR comment a while back on another thread explaining how you use the RT on a U3 USB. I thought this was fantastic, and given my (then) understanding of RT pricing, this would allow me to overcome client issues and use A5 to deliver my information to my clients (if I ever mastered A5 effectively ... unfortunately, it's still a long way off).

                            Richard was very understanding of my need i.e. A5 is not the PRODUCT being delivered like in a traditional application, really largely the VEHICLE for the product (which is customized data), instead of Excel or Access for example. Thus my need did not really fit the "custom" or "package" definitions as they "currently" exist.

                            Although I am several months away from being able to implement such a solution, I felt confident that Richard was very amenable to "tailor" or "tweak" the policies/pricing to fit my unique situation.

                            I'm not sure if this helps ... but THANK YOU for giving me the initial impetus!

                            Duncan

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                              #44
                              Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                              Originally posted by DSG View Post
                              Hi Kenn;

                              You might be interested to know that my whole series of questions on this was actually spurred by YOUR comment a while back on another thread explaining how you use the RT on a U3 USB. I thought this was fantastic, and given my (then) understanding of RT pricing, this would allow me to overcome client issues and use A5 to deliver my information to my clients (if I ever mastered A5 effectively ... unfortunately, it's still a long way off).

                              Richard was very understanding of my need i.e. A5 is not the PRODUCT being delivered like in a traditional application, really largely the VEHICLE for the product (which is customized data), instead of Excel or Access for example. Thus my need did not really fit the "custom" or "package" definitions as they "currently" exist.

                              Although I am several months away from being able to implement such a solution, I felt confident that Richard was very amenable to "tailor" or "tweak" the policies/pricing to fit my unique situation.

                              I'm not sure if this helps ... but THANK YOU for giving me the initial impetus!

                              Duncan
                              Hi Duncan,

                              It's encouraging to know that what I've said is of value to others. Alpha has set up the runtime so that when it is installed, it writes files to the registry. Because I am not allowed to install RT on any of the 3 computers, the only alternative I have is to install the app and RT on my jump drive. Well, it's really not the only alternative if I want to use Access. That gets tempting at times because the Rt for Access is free. But then the puters have MS Office with Access so their RT isn't needed. It boils down to being able to install RT on my jump drive or use Access.

                              Thanks for your response.

                              kenn
                              TYVM :) kenn

                              Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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