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    WYSIWYG <new record>

    I've designed some forms with browses. On my computer, there is no <new record> line in the browse. When I use installmaker to make an install package and install it on my computer, there is no <new record> line. On every other computer that I install this and the run engines to, the <new record> line shows. In the browse properties, the <new record> line is selected. My question is, why would it appear on some computers and not others? They all have Windows XP.

    Bill Belanger

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    Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

    Bill,

    Just a hunch, but I believe that is kept in the registry. I would check for permissions to write to the registry. Need to be an admin?

    You can still set it from the Browse/browse/new record line should read like <New record>


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    Dave Mason
    [email protected]
    Skype is dave.mason46

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      #3
      Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

      Thanks Dave,
      I'm admin on all these computers. The browse properties do specify that the new record line be shown, and it does on the other computers, just not on the one I develop on. That bugs me because I don't know what I'm going to get on a runtime unless I install it on another computer to test.

      I've tried reinstalling A5V9 and the newest patch with no help.

      Bill

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        #4
        Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

        Has anyone else experienced different behavior between like computers? Might this be something new to V9?

        Perhaps it's my development computer only? I have
        Windows XP
        Media Center Edition
        Version 2002
        Service Pack 2


        Thanks
        Bill Belanger

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          #5
          Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

          Bill,

          A good way to start troubleshooting when a form you've built is not behaving correctly is to open the default form for the set (or table) supporting your custom form layout. If your set contains any one to many links Alpha will display them using embedded browses. You can then check the behavior of the browses separately from your custom layout.

          Also, there's an embedded browse on the Invoice form in AlphaSports. You can open AlphaSports and test the behavior of the browse there, again so that you can compare Alpha's behavior with your own custom form.

          Also, the [ new record ] line in the embedded browse will be suppressed if the form's data entry style is MODAL. Is your form's data entry style MODAL? What is the default data entry style in your system's settings?
          Last edited by Tom Cone Jr; 06-07-2008, 06:55 AM.

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            #6
            Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

            Thanks Tom. I believe you've pointed me to the problem. I have the system default set to modal. I have the form set to system default. That works fine on my computer. When I make an install package, I notice that the browse becomes modless because tabbing to the end of the row starts a new record, while if installed on my computer, it does not. Do I need to do an autoexec to set the system default when installing on another computer?

            Bill Belanger

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              #7
              Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

              Bill, I suppose that depends upon whether you want to manually set the preferences when the runtime is installed on other machines? That's how I've handled it in the past. If you want to automate it here's a fairly old thread that suggests some approaches:

              http://msgboard.alphasoftware.com/al...em+preferences

              You might try searching for related threads, especially more current discussions. Checking the help file and the release notes with vers 9 should be done, too. (I haven't looked there yet.)

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                #8
                Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                Here's what I've found. I make an install package. Install it on another computer and the system default changes from modal to modeless. But only on the other computer. If I copy the files to a stick drive, open them on my development computer, the system defaults back to modal.

                Bill Belanger

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                  #9
                  Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                  Hi Bill,

                  Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                  Here's what I've found. I make an install package. Install it on another computer and the system default changes from modal to modeless. But only on the other computer. If I copy the files to a stick drive, open them on my development computer, the system defaults back to modal.
                  Modal vs Modal default is stored in a setting stored in the database's ALB/ALM/ALX file. The default can be overridden by a setting on a form or browse which is stored in the table or set's data dictionary files

                  Are you not copying some of the AL* files?
                  Regards,

                  Ira J. Perlow
                  Computer Systems Design


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                    #10
                    Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                    Ira,
                    All three of those files seem to be installed. If I have everything on the stick drive and open it on my computer, the system default is modal. If I put the stick drive into the computer that I installed the run engine on using the installmaker, the system default is modeless. Even if I open the databse on my computer using the runtime, the system default is modal as designed. It is computer dependent.


                    Bill Belanger

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                      #11
                      Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                      Confirmed it. Make a new database. No tables, forms, nothing. The default is modal for data entry. Create an install package. Install on another computer. The default system data entry is now modeless.

                      Bill Belanger

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                        #12
                        Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                        I opened A5V8 and the system default is set to modeless. Can V9 be getting the wrong system setting from older versions when using the installmaker?

                        By the way, I just opened up the run engine on my computer and its default is modal.

                        Bill Belanger

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                          #13
                          Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                          Hi Bill,

                          While you were writing that I was checking to see if Alpha stuck it in the registry (as it does for certain user settings that should be independent of a database), and in fact it was there. One could argue that this should be a user preference vs a database preference, and I probably would have made it a database preference if I was designing Alpha 5, but it's a close call.

                          Here is some interactive code that can modify the setting and verify it.

                          dim ptr as p
                          ptr.foo=""
                          registry.load_settings("",ptr)
                          ?ptr.init.DataEntry.mode
                          = "Modeless"

                          ' Set new value of settings
                          ptr.init.DataEntry.mode="Modal"

                          ' Save new value of setting
                          registry.save_settings("",ptr)

                          ' Reload pointer with new registry values to confirm
                          registry.load_settings("",ptr)
                          ?ptr.init.DataEntry.mode
                          = "Modal"
                          Regards,

                          Ira J. Perlow
                          Computer Systems Design


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                            Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                            It would be handy if the built in InstallMaker would permit one to capture all the current registry settings from the development machine, and then write them to the user's machine when the application is installed. I gather from posts in other threads that this is exactly what folks are doing with 3rd party installers.

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                              #15
                              Re: WYSIWYG &lt;new record&gt;

                              The #2 step in the installmaker has settings for the registry (optional), but I don't see anything there for the data entry setting. I wonder if this is still a V8 installmaker that defaults to modeless. Still, if we design the system as modal, I would expect the installmaker to maintain that setting on deployment.

                              I'll try just copying the files and installing the run engine manually. But I wonder if it's too late and the registry has already been set by the installmaker.

                              Bill Belanger

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