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    Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

    I have a table with (5) fields, all of them required.

    If any of the fields is blank, and I try to tab out of the field, Alpha5 tells me that the field is required.

    If I am adding a new record, if I just fill in the first field, and click on save, Alpha5 saves the record with all the other fields blank.

    Do you have to check in the save form event to make sure all the required fields are filled? Or is this a bug. I don't know if I'm praying that it is a bug (because this is a pretty big oversight) or if it is by design (which would blow my mind). Either way it must be of pretty near the top of the to do list!

    I seem to remember a thread on this a few weeks ago but I can't find it with a search. Has anyone heard anything else about this?

    Regards,

    Scott

    #2
    Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

    I can confirm this. I have sent in a bug report.
    Tim Kiebert
    Eagle Creek Citrus
    A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

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      #3
      Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

      This seems to have been addressed in the latest patch. According to the release notes and my initial tests.

      Thanks Alpha team!


      Edit: For those who read this after this latest patch is no longer the latest patch 1847_3216 (released on 14 NOV 2008 06:55 PM).
      Last edited by Tim Kiebert; 11-15-2008, 08:54 AM. Reason: added the build id
      Tim Kiebert
      Eagle Creek Citrus
      A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

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        #4
        Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

        Tim,

        They changed it but it still does not work correctly.

        1. Make a file with four fields. Make them all required.

        2. Put all four fields on a form.

        3. Start entering a new record. Enter data into (2) of the fields. Press <ESC> to cancel.

        It won't let you cancel the changes.

        4. Go ahead and put data in the remaining (2) fields

        5. Try to safe the record

        It won't let you save....it just keeps telling you that the fourth field is a required field.


        Regards,

        Scott
        Last edited by Scott_Walker; 11-15-2008, 07:08 PM.

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          #5
          Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

          Scott, if that is repeatable on more than one database I suggest you submit a formal bug report, including sample database for them to work with. Thanks. (I'd do it myself but I swore off this field rule long ago, it was relentless and my users hated it.) -- tom

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            #6
            Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

            Tom,

            I sent it in as a bug report, since in the last release they worked on this feature. They did fix where it would let you save a record with blank required fields but it seems as if they messed something else up.

            When you say this field rule was "relentless" and "your users hated it" I think you may be referring to the fact that you can not even tab out of a required field if it is blank. I would prefer that it only NOT allow you to save the record if the required field was blank, but it should allow you to tab through it to the next or previous field (in case you want to edit the previous field).

            Regards,

            Scott

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              #7
              Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

              Scott,

              I see the same behaviour as you on the cancel attempts.

              But I can save the record after removing focus from the last required field. ie it is not seeing the entered data until you leave the field. I think this is usual Alpha behaviour because normally the OnChange field event does not fire till you leave the field.

              Not to say that it is good behaviour. It certainly is not very intuitive cause as far as the user is concerned they just put somethink there so why doesnt this &%(#( record save.
              Tim Kiebert
              Eagle Creek Citrus
              A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

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                #8
                Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

                Try this variation to see more problems:

                (4) fields in table - all required
                put the (4) fields on the form

                add a record

                fill in the first three fields

                place a value in the last field *but press <shift>-<tab> 3 times to move back to the first field.

                clear out the value in the first field and try to save.

                you get *2* error messages about the field being required. When you click on "OK" on the second error message, the value you just cleared out is replaced in the field.

                But the save icon is greyed out so you can't save it (even though all fields now have a value in them).

                But.....if you tab through all four fields on the form, when you tab out of the last field, Alpha Five automatically saves the record.

                I gotta say, so far I love the features I see in Alpha Five and I love the pricing model but I am beginning to get concerned about stability. These problems are with some pretty basic stuff. How long has Version 9 been out?

                Regards,

                Scott
                Last edited by Scott_Walker; 11-16-2008, 03:57 PM.

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                  #9
                  Re: Saving Record With Blank Required Fields

                  Yep I see that exactly. Send in a demo of this as a bug report and I am sure it will get looked at.
                  Tim Kiebert
                  Eagle Creek Citrus
                  A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

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