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    Desktop Login form and user access control

    Dear all,


    I wonder if anyone of you has a sample login form and access user control to use on a desktop application.
    The login has to check a user table and password

    I've seen the Web Security module and that's nice if you use a web application.
    What I need is something similar but dedicated to a desktop application.

    Please let me know any suggestion and where is possible to find it.

    Thanks
    Giovanni

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    Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

    Hi Giovanni ,

    Have you looked at, from menu bar, Tools->Security.

    This will do almost everything you want.
    Regards
    Keith Hubert
    Alpha Guild Member
    London.
    KHDB Management Systems
    Skype = keith.hubert


    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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      #3
      Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

      Hubert,

      thanks so much. It seems there is all what I needed.
      Bye
      Daswunder

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        #4
        Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

        Please advise,
        How to add this menu in Desktop runtime version?

        Thanks
        RJ

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          #5
          Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

          RJ,

          I don't think the runtime is permitted to set the master password for the database, or to configure the security setup. This is done using the developer version.

          -- tom

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            #6
            Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

            Originally posted by Tom Cone Jr View Post
            RJ,

            I don't think the runtime is permitted to set the master password for the database, or to configure the security setup. This is done using the developer version.

            -- tom
            While it is true that you can't initially setup security in the runtime nor do I think you change the the master password in the runtime, once security is initially setup one can use xbasic and the various security functions to do all most anything using the runtime (e.g., add groups, add users, change a user password, etc.). Of course these functions in the runtime should be restricted either to the administrator or to a specified user, like the boss (else what's the point!).

            Raymond Lyons

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              #7
              Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

              Lyons,
              Thank u for the +ve reply. Do you have any sample login screen/user management forms for run time to share in this forum?

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                #8
                Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                Originally posted by Tom Cone Jr View Post
                RJ,

                I don't think the runtime is permitted to set the master password for the database, or to configure the security setup. This is done using the developer version.

                -- tom
                Originally posted by Raymond Lyons View Post
                While it is true that you can't initially setup security in the runtime nor do I think you change the the master password in the runtime, once security is initially setup one can use xbasic and the various security functions to do all most anything using the runtime (e.g., add groups, add users, change a user password, etc.). Of course these functions in the runtime should be restricted either to the administrator or to a specified user, like the boss (else what's the point!).

                Raymond Lyons
                Just tested this with a currently inuse app (a copy). You can set, change and remove the master password in a runtime version. And also manipulate the users and groups. This was from the control panel. Of course normally you would lock down the control panel so the developer would need to provide the user with the appropriate mechanisms (as Ray mentiond) to access the security stuff. What the runtime does not have access to is the security settings on the actual application objects such as tables and layouts etc. Which makes sense because these are accessed at the devlopment level.

                Hope this helps
                Tim Kiebert
                Eagle Creek Citrus
                A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from a simpler system that worked just fine.

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                  #9
                  Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                  Originally posted by Tim Kiebert View Post
                  Just tested this with a currently inuse app (a copy). You can set, change and remove the master password in a runtime version. And also manipulate the users and groups. This was from the control panel. Of course normally you would lock down the control panel so the developer would need to provide the user with the appropriate mechanisms (as Ray mentiond) to access the security stuff. What the runtime does not have access to is the security settings on the actual application objects such as tables and layouts etc. Which makes sense because these are accessed at the devlopment level.

                  Hope this helps
                  Ah yes, but of course only when logged on as the administrator (thanks Tim). When one uses the the various security functions you can designate any user or users to be one(s) that can make all kinds of changes from the runtime.

                  And Jacobr, below is security management screen shot I developed years ago but it's just a screenshot. It's xdialog and a number of my own functions (500+ lines) but it it incorporates a staff data file (phones, email addresses, etc.) and to show how one would use it would require my putting together a sample DB and I am not up to doing that right now. Plus my xdialog was done a long time ago and I think I might be embarrassed to share it today (I could do better now!). Anyway, in my system each group had different access rights to various forms, tables, operations, fields, etc.

                  Raymond Lyons
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                    #10
                    Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                    Thank u both Tim and Raymond for ur valuable advice.
                    Tim could you please guide me how to include that Security Menu in the application?

                    thank u.

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                      #11
                      Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                      Put this on a button on a form.
                      Code:
                      'Execute menu command: '!a5_security_option("DefineUsersandGroups")'.
                      a5_security_option("DefineUsersandGroups")
                      You must set a Master password first and then log back in with that password.
                      Last edited by Keith Hubert; 04-04-2012, 06:16 AM.
                      Regards
                      Keith Hubert
                      Alpha Guild Member
                      London.
                      KHDB Management Systems
                      Skype = keith.hubert


                      For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                        #12
                        Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                        Couple of comments Renny.
                        I have apps running under RunTime and the user can change their own passwords.

                        Admin have a separate set of forms in a Housekeeping Menu which are accessed by a password protected button. This is where the groups and users are managed - as well as backups etc.
                        You can give anyone who has a login Admin Privileges and they can change all sorts of things, but if they change the master and screw up, you will have a problem on your hands. However the situation is recoverable.

                        The Master Database Password is really something that you should keep safe and secret in my view to save you grief.
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                          #13
                          Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                          I totally agree with Ted.

                          The answers you have here are to your original question. You must develop your own strategy as to how best control as to who does what.
                          Regards
                          Keith Hubert
                          Alpha Guild Member
                          London.
                          KHDB Management Systems
                          Skype = keith.hubert


                          For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                            #14
                            Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                            Renny, a few people have a problem with security.
                            The attached shows a seldom used way of getting the processes onto a Form. I've attached a screencast to show how easy it is.
                            All the buttons - except the URL link - have been created using Action Scripting.
                            Attached Files
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                              #15
                              Re: Desktop Login form and user access control

                              Ted,
                              Thank u for that attachment.
                              What is the password for the DBF and also which is the screen cast file?

                              Renny

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