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    #16
    Re: How about a release?

    but we have to feel that it is ready
    Exactly the right decision. In fact I am surprised that you are hoping to release this month as I didn't think the Desktop stuff had hit the beta yet.

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      #17
      Re: How about a release?

      Originally posted by mdfOffman View Post
      Is anyone else getting pissed off with all the hype about v10 and no release?
      We were promised a release in "summer 2009". We're already moving into fall and there are repeated offers to buy v9 under "time limited" offers that are eternally repeated or renewed.
      I bought v 9 many months ago and applied for the beta release of 10 but was ignored.
      This is getting beyond a joke. Stop hyping, Messrs Rabins, and let us "ordinary folk" upgrade and get our hands on this great tool that you're so proud of you can't stop talking about but won't let us have.
      ok just curious...did you ever get the beta?

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        #18
        Re: How about a release?

        Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
        No.

        Alpha needs sales - cash flow - cash flow - cash flow.
        No serious new business without user and reference manuals for the product.

        A PDF "help" file with 8,579 pages?... completely useless.

        Cash Flow? No chance...

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          #19
          Re: How about a release?

          Originally posted by jfh2005 View Post
          No serious new business without user and reference manuals for the product.

          A PDF "help" file with 8,579 pages?... completely useless.

          Cash Flow? No chance...
          Perhaps you can elaborate on what you mean by this and clear up the ambiguity?

          Are you making a statement based on the lack of released documentation thus far for v10? If so, why?

          Or, are you making a statement in general. If so, what's that got to do with v10 since it has not been released and offered for sale?

          kenn
          TYVM :) kenn

          Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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            #20
            Re: How about a release?

            Ken,
            I would like to back up what John is saying. The help file has not been properly updated since V7 and therefore for anything implemented since then isuseless. There is a much threatened WIKI that we have been asked not to look at yet which may change the lack of information, but this needs to be fully up to date by the release of V10, hopefully this is one of the delays. The videos, although great at showing what can be achieved and a great sales tool, do not show how to achieve it. It is left to others to stumble around testing first one parameter then another until the solution is reached, and that is provided they know the full extent of the parameters involved. There are V8 xbasic commands that still do not show the interactive help in the command line! Do you know how to get information on any of the UI_Context commands for instance?

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              #21
              Re: How about a release?

              Originally posted by Lance Gurd View Post
              Ken,
              I would like to back up what John is saying. The help file has not been properly updated since V7 and therefore for anything implemented since then isuseless. There is a much threatened WIKI that we have been asked not to look at yet which may change the lack of information, but this needs to be fully up to date by the release of V10, hopefully this is one of the delays. The videos, although great at showing what can be achieved and a great sales tool, do not show how to achieve it. It is left to others to stumble around testing first one parameter then another until the solution is reached, and that is provided they know the full extent of the parameters involved. There are V8 xbasic commands that still do not show the interactive help in the command line! Do you know how to get information on any of the UI_Context commands for instance?
              Hi Lance,

              Thanks for your reply. My comment was made because I feel his comment, no doubt due to frustration, is out of place.

              I agree with most everything you said. It has been very frustrating to go to A5 Help and find old info. We all have spent a ton of unnecessary hours trying to find solutions because of the lack of info. However, at least on some of the videos, Selwyn has shown how to do it, albeit a bit fast.

              I have limited time and have spent way too many unnecessay hours of 'hit and miss' trying to figure something out. Part of that, however, is no doubt due to my level of comprehension.

              Alpha has a great product and that's why we all hang around, despite the lack of up to date documentation. I need the v10 WAS to come through for me. It will be a milestone lifesavor for my work. Thus, the documentation will be crucial.

              I hope there is tutorial and explanation on how to set up a web app. Yes, there are tutorials but there is no 'Overview'. At least I haven't found it. It's difficult for me to find out which comes first, the chicken or the egg.

              Alpha has heard the documentation message loud and clear. Codeless Ajax or not, the documentation must be there when v10 is released. As much as I need what it can do for me and as quick as I need it (6 months ago), I will be patient and wait.

              kenn
              TYVM :) kenn

              Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                #22
                Re: How about a release?

                Originally posted by forskare View Post
                Alpha has heard the documentation message loud and clear.
                ???

                ...the documentation must be there when v10 is released.
                Don't hold your breath.
                Peter
                AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                [email protected]
                https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                  #23
                  Re: How about a release?

                  Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                  ???

                  Don't hold your breath.
                  Well, let's hope they have and no, I won't hold my breath. :)
                  TYVM :) kenn

                  Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                    #24
                    Re: How about a release?

                    Yeah, I hope too. As a wise man I used to know often said, "Hope springs eternal..."
                    Peter
                    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                    [email protected]
                    https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                      #25
                      Re: How about a release?

                      The Wiki is real and will be made public with the release of v10

                      The plan is to have v10 information incorporated in the wiki

                      The other benefit of the Wiki is that it is a centralized easy to search mechanism for quality content /videos/ white papers /tutorials to be hosted.

                      The way this will work is that if any member of the Alpha Community wants to post content to the Wiki - they can, after it has gone through an edit/approval step.
                      Richard Rabins
                      Co Chairman
                      Alpha Software

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                        #26
                        Re: How about a release?

                        Originally posted by Richard Rabins View Post
                        The Wiki is real and will be made public with the release of v10

                        The plan is to have v10 information incorporated in the wiki

                        The other benefit of the Wiki is that it is a centralized easy to search mechanism for quality content /videos/ white papers /tutorials to be hosted.

                        The way this will work is that if any member of the Alpha Community wants to post content to the Wiki - they can, after it has gone through an edit/approval step.
                        Hi Richard,

                        I know you guys are working hard. There is so much to do and to make sure it all works together is no easy task. Then, factor in all those who are working on it and coordinate their efforts. I have to believe it's likened to coordinating all the developers to write a hugely humongus app with a complete set of instructions, field by field and task by task, not to mention all the possible 'what ifs' and error messages. That's why I and others patiently wait.

                        How was that ol' Navy saying? "Damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!"

                        :D
                        TYVM :) kenn

                        Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                          #27
                          Re: How about a release?

                          Originally posted by Richard Rabins View Post
                          The way this will work is that if any member of the Alpha Community wants to post content to the Wiki - they can, after it has gone through an edit/approval step.
                          This "Wiki" idea is not gonna do it.

                          It does not replace a well written, comprehensive, concise, authorative, up to date manual, that takes me systematically through the product A-Z's.

                          The absence of proper documentation works 100% against your marketing efforts and completely sabotages your ability to attract new users.

                          You're shooting yourself in the foot.

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                            #28
                            Re: How about a release?

                            Just my 2 cents.

                            Alpha is on the verge of releasing an absolutely monumental product - actually, I think the past releases were amazing as well - but v10 looks incrementally over the top. Aren't we being a bit unfair to expect everything to be perfect. This product is ground breaking, be patient.

                            Gary
                            Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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                              #29
                              Re: How about a release?

                              Originally posted by jfh2005 View Post
                              This "Wiki" idea is not gonna do it.

                              It does not replace a well written, comprehensive, concise, authorative, up to date manual, that takes me systematically through the product A-Z's.

                              The absence of proper documentation works 100% against your marketing efforts and completely sabotages your ability to attract new users.

                              You're shooting yourself in the foot.
                              Seems like you're passing judgment w/o seeing and trying. Access has tons of books and dragging them around is good only for exercise. That's why they're collecting dust on my shelf. No, wait, I think I tossed them out

                              Why not wait and see? Give it a try. I would much rather have Wiki and set up what I need on my laptop and print out only the info I need to study when I'm away from the laptop. Besides, getting inform other users will never make it to a book as you describe and, you can take that to the bank!!
                              TYVM :) kenn

                              Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                                #30
                                Re: How about a release?

                                Originally posted by drgarytraub View Post
                                Just my 2 cents.

                                Alpha is on the verge of releasing an absolutely monumental product - actually, I think the past releases were amazing as well - but v10 looks incrementally over the top. Aren't we being a bit unfair to expect everything to be perfect. This product is ground breaking, be patient.

                                Gary
                                Actually....while still waiting my beta...i had lots of time to search alternatives...and there actually are lots... so its not that monumental...

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