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    #31
    Re: How to run multiple web sites

    Chet,

    Can you help with the question about Ports. Are you able to have Abyss listen on port 80 and transfer the request to Alpha Five WAS running on some other port, and still make use of virtual hosting and also not include the WAS port number in the URL?
    Steve Wood
    See my profile on IADN

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      #32
      Re: How to run multiple web sites

      Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
      Chet,

      Can you help with the question about Ports. Are you able to have Abyss listen on port 80 and transfer the request to Alpha Five WAS running on some other port, and still make use of virtual hosting and also not include the WAS port number in the URL?
      I don't see how it is possible not to include the WAS port number in the link. The Was can't be running on port 80. It will be invisible to the user on the page but become visible in the url of the browser when it is clicked on. Is there a real problem with that strategy?

      You can have as many websites as you want doing this under abyss - transferring to a5 sub-directories on the WAS containing say a login page.

      There maybe a way to use port forwarding using no-ip.com. You know how this works. A remote user types in your url. No-ip sees it and does the forwarding to port 8080 (or whatever). I don't know if the end user sees the 8080 transfer in the url. The user probably does since this is a redirect process.
      Regards,
      Chet Sapino
      President,
      SAPINO Enterprises
      6451 Pheasant Rd
      East Syracuse, NY 13057

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        #33
        Re: How to run multiple web sites

        Yes, that's the entire question, leaving the non-80 port number out of the URL. May be cosmetic but it is an absolute requirement.

        dit: I'll test Abyss when their new release comes out. It has reverseproxy which is supposed to assist. However, I could not get this to work in Apache, so I have my doubts.
        Steve Wood
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          #34
          Re: How to run multiple web sites

          Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
          Yes, that's the entire question, leaving the non-80 port number out of the URL. May be cosmetic but it is an absolute requirement.

          dit: I'll test Abyss when their new release comes out. It has reverseproxy which is supposed to assist. However, I could not get this to work in Apache, so I have my doubts.
          Did you try to do this with no-ip? Did the url show up in the browser when it redirected?
          Regards,
          Chet Sapino
          President,
          SAPINO Enterprises
          6451 Pheasant Rd
          East Syracuse, NY 13057

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            #35
            Re: How to run multiple web sites

            Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
            Yes, that's the entire question, leaving the non-80 port number out of the URL. May be cosmetic but it is an absolute requirement.

            dit: I'll test Abyss when their new release comes out. It has reverseproxy which is supposed to assist. However, I could not get this to work in Apache, so I have my doubts.
            check this out:

            "Masking prevents visitors from seeing your domain forwarding by keeping your domain name in the Web browser's address bar."

            See: http://help.godaddy.com/article/422
            Regards,
            Chet Sapino
            President,
            SAPINO Enterprises
            6451 Pheasant Rd
            East Syracuse, NY 13057

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              #36
              Re: How to run multiple web sites

              Thanks, not sure what no-ip does, but that's not the kind of solution I would want to implement even if it did work.
              Steve Wood
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                #37
                Re: How to run multiple web sites

                Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                Thanks, not sure what no-ip does, but that's not the kind of solution I would want to implement even if it did work.
                What's the problem with no-ip? It's completely transparent to an end user. He doesn't even know it exists. here's how it works. You register a domain name with say godaddy.com. You then go to no-ip.com and sign up for their service using your domain name from godaddy. When you sign up with no-ip, you enter the dns server names from godaddy and the port you want to forward to.
                When the user types www.whatever.com in his browser, that name is resolved by godaddy, transmitted to no-ip and no-ip routes it to your website. The question I have is does the port 8080 show up in the browser? You could try it.

                I use DNS Exit (www.dnsexit.com)in conjunction with abyss for managing multiple domains. No one knows it's there doing it's thing except me. It does not have port forwarding like no-ip.
                Regards,
                Chet Sapino
                President,
                SAPINO Enterprises
                6451 Pheasant Rd
                East Syracuse, NY 13057

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                  #38
                  Re: How to run multiple web sites

                  I opened a no-ip account. In my quick test, yes it leaves the non-80 port in the URL. It does this using their Port 80 Redirect feature and the Web Redirect feature. If you think about it, it HAS to. It cannot perform any magic on my server, telling my server to listen to the request on port 81 but pretend to hear it on 80. It has to include the port in the URL else my server does not know what to do with the request.

                  That aside, it still is not a solution because no-ip cannot tell my server to perform virtual hosting. The request comes in as a normal URL, just like any you would enter on your own to get to the WAS. No-ip can spit out www.mydomain.com, www.yourdomain.com, etc but then MY server has to know what to do with that.

                  The solution has to be on the WAS server, listening to port 80.

                  They do have a very nice website, good model for that kind of business.
                  Steve Wood
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                    #39
                    Re: How to run multiple web sites

                    Chet, I took another shot at no-ip. My bit about not being able to redirect to port 81 was lame because in this case you would not need to redirect to another port, you'd just use port 80, so no issue with port in the URL.

                    My part about no-ip not being able to do virtual hosting on my server is still correct, however they have a feature called Masking whereby they run your page in an Iframe, hiding the true URL. So you could have www.mydomain.com point to www.myWAS.com/app1, and www.myotherdomain.com pointing to www.myWAS.com/app2. The user would see www.mydomain.com and www.myotherdomain.com.

                    I still don't like this because you are still faking it, and I really don't want my CustomerA to be in the same main folder as CompanyB, even if their URL does not show this. But that could just be me. I also don't know what the IFrame does to my SEO and other risks. But no-ip is worth more investigation, they've come a long way from the first server-at-home solution and do have a steller website.
                    Steve Wood
                    See my profile on IADN

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                      #40
                      Re: How to run multiple web sites

                      Steve,
                      I have used NO-IP for my server as I have a dynamic IP since about 2002....I just wanted to let you (all) know that I had two issues/problems in the past and it was incredible how responsive they were---and I was only using their free version! So if you have an issue or a question about something, I would definitely ask them directly.
                      Mike
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                        #41
                        Re: How to run multiple web sites

                        Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                        Chet, Thank you for pointing to Abyss server. I will check that out. Have you tried this with Alpha?

                        The trick is going to be can Abyss forward the request from port 80 (which Abyss will be listening to) to some other port that Alpha will be running on, like port 81. There is a post on their forum that suggests it is 'easy': http://www.aprelium.com/forum/viewto...b9e9a4ebd2ed41

                        If you forward to port 81, will that "81" show up in the URL? That is the problem with IIS and Apache, it still shows the port number in the URL. If this works it will be nice, IIS is too complex and Apache is difficult to work with.
                        Hello Steve/Chet:
                        How did you actually forward the incoming www.mysite.com to an alpha page listening on port 81? I tried an url rewrite with Abyss that redirects mysite to http://www.mysite.com:81 but this does not appear to work.
                        Thanks.
                        Andrew

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                          #42
                          Re: How to run multiple web sites

                          Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                          I opened a no-ip account. In my quick test, yes it leaves the non-80 port in the URL. It does this using their Port 80 Redirect feature and the Web Redirect feature. If you think about it, it HAS to. It cannot perform any magic on my server, telling my server to listen to the request on port 81 but pretend to hear it on 80. It has to include the port in the URL else my server does not know what to do with the request.

                          That aside, it still is not a solution because no-ip cannot tell my server to perform virtual hosting. The request comes in as a normal URL, just like any you would enter on your own to get to the WAS. No-ip can spit out www.mydomain.com, www.yourdomain.com, etc but then MY server has to know what to do with that.

                          The solution has to be on the WAS server, listening to port 80.

                          They do have a very nice website, good model for that kind of business.
                          I guess I don't get what the real issues is here and why the necessity of not having a port redirect showing up in the url.

                          You have a website running on port 80 using Abyss Web server or someone hosts it at www.yourdomain.com

                          You have a Login link on the home page just like millions of websites do. This link redirects to the WAS sub-directly with login.a5w and all your a5w pages.

                          Who cares what is visible in the link? Do people actually look at these links and say, "Hey this is port 8080. This is unacceptable!" When people maneuver around websites they don't care what is in the url. All they are interested in is what content displays.

                          Do you actually have someone who cares that there is a port redirect? Why?

                          You could use Abyss to do it internally, but so what?

                          You have the ability with Abyss X2 to run a multiple number of websites each redirecting to a sub-directory of the WAS running an application.

                          My $.02.
                          Regards,
                          Chet Sapino
                          President,
                          SAPINO Enterprises
                          6451 Pheasant Rd
                          East Syracuse, NY 13057

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                            #43
                            Re: How to run multiple web sites

                            Who cares what is visible in the link? Do people actually look at these links and say, "Hey this is port 8080. This is unacceptable!" When people maneuver around websites they don't care what is in the url. All they are interested in is what content displays.
                            And here I thought I was the only one thinking this! :) Truthfully, until I started programming, I had never given the url of webpages much thought, much less how they looked. Maybe it is just a matter of a programmer's personal idea of clean code and cannot be satisfied unless that is achieved??

                            A bit off topic, but relevant to the overall theme I think.
                            Mike
                            __________________________________________
                            It is only when we forget all our learning that we begin to know.
                            It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
                            Henry David Thoreau
                            __________________________________________



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                              #44
                              Re: How to run multiple web sites

                              Originally posted by MikeC View Post
                              And here I thought I was the only one thinking this! :) Truthfully, until I started programming, I had never given the url of webpages much thought, much less how they looked. Maybe it is just a matter of a programmer's personal idea of clean code and cannot be satisfied unless that is achieved??

                              A bit off topic, but relevant to the overall theme I think.
                              I think you are right on topic. This thread has been around for quite awhile provoking some serious thought. Personally, I could give a crap what is in a url as long as the job gets done.
                              Regards,
                              Chet Sapino
                              President,
                              SAPINO Enterprises
                              6451 Pheasant Rd
                              East Syracuse, NY 13057

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                                #45
                                Re: How to run multiple web sites

                                or set the domain masking on with the domain settings at the registrar and then you never see anything other than a simple URL

                                I think the issues that are being presented here are relative to how to make different web serves work together....
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