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    #1

    Windows server 2003/2008 ...

    I run my WAS applications on a machine with simple XP Pro. Would I experience significant performance gains by going to Server 2003 or 2008, as in better RAM and CPU management, or anything else?
    Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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    Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

    Anyone?
    Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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      #3
      Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

      Aha I see your in a hurry :)

      At least your able to address more memory then XP Pro ( limit 2 GB)
      Take a good look what you need Microsoft Standard (4GB) or Enterprise (>4 GB) --------> (you pay the price)
      Put in 15K RPM disks
      Raid levels etc

      So for your business it's a good idea.
      64bit support for A5 WAS (future)

      Eric

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        Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

        Would I experience significant performance gains by going to Server 2003 or 2008
        I have found a significant performance speed improvement between xp and 2008, (running on VMWARE)
        But exactly the same errors occur which shut down the v9 WAS

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          Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

          Eric,

          Thanks for the comments.

          I googled prices for 2008 server enterprise - $3,999 - did I read that right?!
          Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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            Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

            Colin,

            Which errors are you referring to?


            Eric and Colin,

            Does using say 16 GB RAM make a difference? How much of the RAM can the WAS actually utilize?
            Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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              Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

              Gary
              The same problems on my XP test server, and my VMware 2008 occur,
              Eg Gobbling up CPU time, RUnning out of memory, Too many threads left open.

              Note: On 2008 under VMware, my Sever does a restart in less than 30 seconds, and restarting the WAS in about 4 secs, This does cut down , down-time bt off course all the sessions are lost.

              Regards
              Colin

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                #8
                Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...78(VS.85).aspx

                RAM the more the better :o
                How to calculate:
                depends on you database type
                transactions [ your application type]
                all one machine ? 3 trier ?
                batches etc
                number of users and request handles

                I think 2008 standard RC2 16 GB 64 bit is a good choice
                remember !! WAS is 32 bit, check the board for problems

                As Alpha software says there are large customers with > 100? ? 250 ? concurrent users ask Richard for the details

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                  #9
                  Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                  Eric,

                  Thanks for all the info. Looks like very good advice!
                  Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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                    Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                    Colin,

                    I am seeing that at least in my experience, the biggest RAM hogs are reports!

                    I am working on that as well ....
                    Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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                      Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                      Ok, Dr I have to ask the question what backend are you using because everytime you seem to be on a thread its about speed issues?

                      Chad
                      Chad Brown

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                        #12
                        Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                        Chad,

                        I have not experienced any significant speed issues, just RAM issues. The speed is quite acceptable. Users have no complaints about that. When grids have been very slow, I have rewritten them with xbasic, and the speed is great. To answer your question though, I use DBF. Are you implying that sql would decrease the RAM issues?
                        Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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                          Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                          I use to have all of my stuff on dbf and I can tell you that once you goto SQL there is no looking back, My WAS sits in and around 120-250 on a normal basis I do a restart everynight with Always up. Mysql I have running on the same machine and it seems to run in at 180-1500. But it runs queries and pages extremely fast compared to dbf's. I still have a few older pages that are built on dbf tables and they are turtle slow compared to the sql ones.

                          I will soon be changing Mysql to a linux server. which will then make my current was server machine run just WAS.
                          Current config is 2003Server quad-core 2.6ghz with 4gb ram.

                          Pat Bremkamp is currently developing a hybrid program with me.

                          If my site didn't contain sensitive information I would have a video showing just how fast it is online for you all to see.

                          Mysql is free and trust me once you see the difference you will admit it shouldn't be!

                          Chad
                          Last edited by chadbrown; 12-22-2009, 10:39 PM.
                          Chad Brown

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                            Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                            Chad,

                            Thanks. That is informative, and I appreciate every bit of information I can get.

                            I do plan to slowly migrate some tables at a time to sql because of the scalability. But given that speed is not an issue for me, I am mostly concerned about RAM issues at this time. Do you have a lot of concurrent users, and, if so, does "RAM creep" occur with sql?
                            Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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                              Re: Windows server 2003/2008 ...

                              I have about 100 staff members that sign into the site daily and run numerous pages but WAS seems to stay around 160MB normally and the one that creeps up fairly quickly is the MYSQL which if I dont force a restart will sit around 1.1GB and that is why I want to change it to a linux server which will handle the RAM issue much smoother.

                              Ram is cheap as long as you're current machine can handle more and the operating system uses it properly.

                              2003 Runs fine with the 4GB I have.

                              Chad
                              Chad Brown

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