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    Is there any utility that can convert the V10 Desktop Application to V10 Web Application?

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    sorry no - too many differences between the desktop and web.
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    That would be equal to converting a song into a painting..... it can't be done...... completely different animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRichard View Post
    That would be equal to converting a song into a painting..... it can't be done...... completely different animals.
    Much more eloquently stated than my simple quick response.
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    There are many other products to support WEB apps and Desktop / Client/Server apps with a single code base. Why can others do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenMcLean View Post
    There are many other products to support WEB apps and Desktop / Client/Server apps with a single code base. Why can others do it?
    Can we see a list of those products so we can figure out how the operate?
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    Servoy, Powerbuilder, 4d, Omnis to name a few.
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    Thanks for all commend
    I mean and I think when I use Alpha V10 develop the desktop application it has source code and this source code may put in the utility and can convert to run on Alpha10 Web server (convert from desktop application to web application) without or less time to re-coding it again.

    I know that when we decide to develop the application we have to decide what kind of application for desktop or web and develop it in that way.

    I ask this becasue I saw alphafive has solution to covert MS Access to Alpha applicaton so I think Alpha may has solution and easy way convert the desktop application to web application becasue Alpha team know all source code well. It's no problem if to pay for this tool/utility and Alpha team can sell it if they have cost to develop it or free is ok :)

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    I do recall a presentation by Alpha about some plans along this line. It would be nice if we did not have to 'convert' code written in the desktop environment to run on the web. I'd like to be able to call an Operation rather than copy-paste-tweak the code to the web. I'm not sure what you would get if you completely merged the two sides into one, but I hate to give up any functionality on either side.
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    Steve,

    It would be nice to see the packages you mentioned in the Alpha Five comparison grid (http://www.gregoryfca.com/blogs/alph...1001_FINAL.pdf)
    instead of 4 different versions of Filemaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterth View Post

    I ask this becasue I saw alphafive has solution to covert MS Access to Alpha applicaton
    I see a way to convert an access database to an Alpha database.

    Did I miss a way to convert an access application to an Alpha application?

    Please provide a link to a reference...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcgaffic View Post
    Steve,

    It would be nice to see the packages you mentioned in the Alpha Five comparison grid (http://www.gregoryfca.com/blogs/alph...1001_FINAL.pdf)
    instead of 4 different versions of Filemaker.

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    Bob

    Are you talking to Steve or Steven?

    Neither of them made that comparison chart.

    Steven's comments need more support. At least for those of us uneducated ones...
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    Hi Bob, yes the comparison is very limited. I think that is intentional.
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    Most comparison charts that I have seen compare products in like price ranges(markets) or that they have been endlessly compared to (Access/Filemaker). Whatever was left of the chart, I am sure someone would find a product that they thought should be on it. Just out of curiosity, what would be the reason that you would want those other products compared to Alpha?

    Getting back to the topic, It would be great to have Desktop/Web apps that are interchangeable, and someday it may get there. It seems like there has been an attempt to start to do that by bringing grids to the desktop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterth View Post
    I ask this becasue I saw alphafive has solution to covert MS Access to Alpha applicaton ...
    What you saw was a way to read Access data using Alpha. That's not even close to what it would take to convert a whole application - all the code, forms, reports, etc.

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    I'm sorry for my mistake.
    it's just how to moving the MS Access database to Alpha
    please see this link you may see it before
    http://www.imakenews.com/alphasoftwa...x000325731.cfm

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    Bill, there are many other applications with similar MSRP that have equal of greater feature sets that are not compared. Only lesser product were addressed. I think that was the issue.
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    Hi Alpha team,

    When will Alpha team has tools or solution/function to move the desktop application to web application. Just the Alpha Desktop to Alpha Web Application is ok. Do you plan for this in your production line now? or next version 11 ?

    Thanks

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    More important than move a desktop to the WEB, when will desktop and WEB share a common code base
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenMcLean View Post
    Bill, there are many other applications with similar MSRP that have equal of greater feature sets that are not compared. Only lesser product were addressed. I think that was the issue.
    Most of the products you listed have price tags way beyond the cost of Alpha. What are the ones that have similar DEPLOYMENT price tags to Alpha?

    Isn't the object of a sales comparison chart to SELL product, not drive customers to your competitors?

    What company publishes comparison charts that show that it is better to buy the other guys product?


    Why are you an Alpha customer if there are so many other choices that are superior?
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    The price is comparable if you look at Alpha's List Price of the 3 products!
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenMcLean View Post
    The price is comparable if you look at Alpha's List Price of the 3 products!
    Really?

    Pricing from Servoy's website:
    In order to develop your applications you will need a Servoy Developer license. You can purchase those in our on-line store at $849 per developer seat. The annual maintenance fee is $227.

    Traditional concurrency-based deployment: With Servoy you are able to deploy your application in multiple ways by using our Smart Client or our Web Client. Both can be deployed by using our concurrency-based licensing model. A single concurrent license starts at $349 and goes down based on volume. See our on-line store, fill-in the number of licenses you need and see the price go down. For volumes over 100, please contact our sales staff. There is annual maintenance available which is highly recommended.

    SaaS deployment:
    Our Web (browser) Client can also be deployed by making use of our CPU, dual-CPU and Server-based pricing. This is particularly attractive for SaaS deployments where it is difficult to estimate the number of concurrent users at any one given time. The pricing for that is as follows:
    Dual Core license: $27,500 (up to two cores in total in server, unlimited number of users, scales based on hardware)
    Four Core license: $37,500 (up to four cores in total in server, unlimited number of users, scales based on hardware)
    Server license: $75,000 (unlimited number of cores, unlimited number of users, scales based on hardware)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Griffin View Post
    Isn't the object of a sales comparison chart to SELL product, not drive customers to your competitors?

    What company publishes comparison charts that show that it is better to buy the other guys product?

    Why are you an Alpha customer if there are so many other choices that are superior?
    I hate to quote myself, but getting back to the issue of the comparison chart, you negelected to respond to the other questions I posed to you.
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    Bill, Servey Developer is FREE to developers, and yes the full version. The SaaS version is applicable for installations of 1000 concurrent users. WEB services do not need the SaaS version. It is targeted to clients like Google, Amazon etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenMcLean View Post
    Bill, Servey Developer is FREE to developers, and yes the full version. The SaaS version is applicable for installations of 1000 concurrent users. WEB services do not need the SaaS version. It is targeted to clients like Google, Amazon etc...
    The information that I posted is from the Servoy website. Who do I believe? You or them?? Doesn't really matter because it is not an option for me. Even with a free development copy, I have hundreds of users. Are the client copies free as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenMcLean View Post
    I equate that to Alpha starting to give away free copies of Version 9. Not interested in yesterdays version. Thanks, but no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Griffin View Post
    I equate that to Alpha starting to give away free copies of Version 9. Not interested in yesterdays version. Thanks, but no thanks.
    No not quite....

    • Free for non-commercial use
    Essentially the license limitation means: if you don't make money with it you can use the Community edition, if you do make money with it we expect you to purchase a normal license. This allows you to develop community products with Servoy, use it as a learning tool, distribute demo versions of your application, etc.

    Quite frankly the absurdity of this thread has reached it's limit....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Buchholz View Post
    Quite frankly the absurdity of this thread has reached it's limit....
    Agreed
    PS my point was it is not the current version (5) but version 4.
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    Servoy sent me V5 free of charge! The point to this is not anything connected to costs, rather that products can support WEB and Desktop with a single code base!
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