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Currupted something is my guess, but what.

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    Currupted something is my guess, but what.

    I have a document control app. It has three tables in a set: Main, Revisions, Attachments. Main is parent and other 2 are childs in 1:M with Main. The structure of the Revisions table is an exact duplicate of the Main table (it will be holding different data). Something happened to make it so if the Revisions table has any records and you try and pack it, it shows that it cannot be opened (see pic). Try and rename the table and an error says the table is being used by another process: revision.cdx.

    So I removed the table from the set, deleted the table from the database, compacted the database, exited the app and started over. Rebuilt the table from scratch naming it revision2. No problems copying records from Main to Revisions2. No problem packing and renaming that table.....until I rename it Revisions. Then the problems return. It there a dictionary problem or something?
    Mike W
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    "I rebel in at least small things to express to the world that I have not completely surrendered"

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    Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

    Perhaps an index with the same name in both tables.

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      #3
      Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

      did you do a reg clean?
      Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
      972 524 8714
      [email protected]

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        #4
        Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

        Exit all running Alpha5 applications
        Run Task Manager - end process on any remaining alpha5.exe processes

        Run Windows Explorer, navigate to the folder containing your database files. Delete any temporary files, i.e. ones starting with "$$", or ones that have "$$" in the extension.

        Attempt to compact the database again.

        If you still get the error message, post a file listing of the folder containing your database.
        Andrew

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          #5
          Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

          Thanks guys,
          There were residual $$ files hanging out there. Don't know why, as I have never understood why, but another story there. The presence of an index with the same name is a 100%, truth no matter what, since A5 makes it's own. I went through everything from deleting all indexes (I don't use them with apps having <5000 records), reboot, reloading app from backup, returning to prior A5V10 version, etc. I ended up rebuilding the table under a different name and going through every UDF and changing the name of the table where present. I am back up and running with the table being changed from Revisions to Revised, and all else the same. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, but for now I am OK. Thanks again for your thoughts.
          Mike W
          __________________________
          "I rebel in at least small things to express to the world that I have not completely surrendered"

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            #6
            Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

            Hi Mike

            revisions.dbf sounds dangerous.

            Is it possible that Alpha uses this kind of names in their processes?
            - the restructure function must use tablenames
            - also when you are adding/changing/removing fields in a table
            - other table operations
            So maybe they are reserved words for tablenames

            my 2 cents

            Ton
            Most things are simple but unfortunately only after the first time

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              #7
              Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

              After posting my reply I tried to do the same.
              I created a table main and a table revisions.
              Also created a set as you described saved it and did a compact database. No problem.
              So forget my 2 cents.

              Try the folowing:

              Create a new database in a new directory.
              Copy the tables to that new directory and add these tables in the new database. Do a compact
              Then create a set in the same way and do a compact


              Ton
              Most things are simple but unfortunately only after the first time

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                #8
                Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                It was a problem in the registry, which is why I suggested a reg clean. Alpha will sometimes leave a reference in the registry that a file is open (will have a hex prefix instead of a $$$.) I have never had the issue with running an app at the client, only in development, when going in and out and in and out of design. Thats why changing the table name fixed it, because so far there are no orphans in the registry.

                To prove it, run a reg clean, and then look at the files it will remove and you will find your file in the list with a hex prefix.
                Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                972 524 8714
                [email protected]

                ____________________
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                  #9
                  Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                  Martin,

                  You might make me dangerous here! I just looked in the registry at the INDX key and there are 200+ entries w/ hex beginning values (with Alpha not running). Are you saying that all are orphans?

                  Bill.

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                    #10
                    Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                    Hi guys,
                    I think Martin is right. I ran a registry cleaning and did get many hits in alpha, bit then again I got many hit altogether. :( Oh Well, right now I'm in "Paycheck" mode (Ben AfflecK, Uma Thurman) to get this application complete. Gotta get get it complete. Dec 1 is way too close!!
                    Mike W
                    __________________________
                    "I rebel in at least small things to express to the world that I have not completely surrendered"

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                      #11
                      Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                      Hi Bill,
                      The quick answer is "I don't know" if they are all orphans - but I use a registry checker that looks for orphans, etc., and typically finds several for Alpha. But another developer and I finally found out why we were getting the message that the file was in in use way back in Version 5. It won't occur at the client, because you don't develop on the client, but there is some certain scenario where when in development, it will put entries in the registry indicating files are open/in use and not clear them out.

                      I hadn't had it hardly at all in 7/8/9 but it has come back for me more than once a week when I am very active in a particular app. in 10. I would not say that it is always the reason, but for me, with my C-- programming routines, it occurs and is most often the reason.

                      However, as I think about it, there is a new behavior for me - I have started using the window bar a lot, now, and while I have one layout open in design, I may open another one in design, or even the table structure or field rules for another table. That could be why I am getting it so frequently, now.

                      I would not advise running a reg cleaner unless there is a good reason, but I've got a new one now, that is hands down the best I've ever used, from Norton/Symantec.

                      Uma Thurman? Payroll? Now how did Mike put those two together, although I could put Uma Thurman almost anywheres!!
                      Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                      972 524 8714
                      [email protected]

                      ____________________
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                        #12
                        Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                        Martin,
                        Not Payoll but Payckeck. Google movie "Paycheck". If you haven't seen it, you should! Ben Afflec is a computer magician and he goes into "computer development hibernation" in developing applications. Watch it and you will understand.
                        Mike W
                        __________________________
                        "I rebel in at least small things to express to the world that I have not completely surrendered"

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                          Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                          Martin...Thank you for sharing.

                          I was having similar problems with a v9 mini-app that does multiple searches in tables and embedded browses...The app would work in one version of v9 but not another (the one I needed of course!)

                          I had NEVER done a registry clean on this particular computer as it is the most stable one I have ever had (I reboot maybe every 30 days)

                          I ran a scan using Registry Mechanic and came up with over 8000 entries for Alpha5!! The scan was done after a reboot and a complete shutdown (3rd time only in almost a year!). Most were $$ but a considerable portion were the hex prefixes you mentioned...as it was, the mini-app was useless but after deleting the entries, it is working.
                          Mike
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                          It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
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                            #14
                            Re: Currupted something is my guess, but what.

                            YW Mike.
                            If like me, in V10, you run into it say weekly, when in heavy development on an app, once you run the reg cleaner once, subsequent runs are fast.

                            Thanks for the heads up on Paycheck. I can't remember seeing it. Will look for on my cable.
                            Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                            972 524 8714
                            [email protected]

                            ____________________
                            "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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