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    v11 Styles - First Impressions

    Hi,

    I converted an existing App from v10.5 to v11 and I realized the following:

    -Legacy Styles don't show correctly on v11 (Some areas become transparent and other strange things)
    -Currently avaliable v11 Styles (GrBlue, etc, etc) render significantly bigger on the browser than v10.5 equivalents (Day, etc)
    -Having v11 and v10.5 on the same page (Grid + Navigation System) results in strange interactions.
    -Using a5w_include() in your Pages, to include a Navigation System or some other repeating element, is out of question, because the CSS from the two pages would interact (This worked fine in v10.5)

    In other words, to have a reasonable look:

    -Use ONLY v11 Styles
    -Use the same Style for Grid + Navigation System
    -Get sure the Page body is using the same Style as the Web Component (this is an option when you insert the Style)
    -Aviod using a5w_include() sentences in your pages
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    #2
    Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

    You can still use a5w_include() without fear to bring code in to another page. You just have to make sure you bring in CODE or partial HTML pages never a full page with all of the HTML tags. This has always been true, true in V10 as well. You can use it to bring in navigation components as well, if you do it right. The right way is to split the nav component in to its HEAD and BODY areas, on separate A5W pages. You use a5w_include() then to include the HEAD part in between the HEAD tags, and the BODY part just after the BODY tag.

    If you don't use this or a similar method, you have to manually enter the navigation component on each page where you want it to appear; too much work. My way, there is a very standard clean "template like" approach where the target page has minimal amount of code, most items brought in by a5w_include().

    The majority of my pages look just like this:

    <!DOCTYPE>
    <html>
    <head>

    <%a5 a5w_include("inc_header_head.a5w") %>

    </head>
    <body>

    <div id="wrapper">
    <%A5 a5w_include("inc_header_body.a5w") %>
    <div id="content">

    <p>-------</p>
    <p>INSERT CONTENT</p>
    <p>-------</p>

    <div class="clearfix"></div>
    </div><!-- CONTENT -->
    </div><!-- WRAPPER -->
    <%A5 a5w_include("inc_footer_body.a5w") %>
    </body></html>
    Steve Wood
    See my profile on IADN

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      #3
      Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

      I try to split a page in two, but A5 will add again the <head> or <body> tags for me when I save.

      How do you prevent this?

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        #4
        Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

        The "body" page has just this code, assuming you named your menu mainmenu:

        HTML Code:
        <%a5 ?x_mainmenu.Output.Body.navsysTBH %>
        The "head" page has this code:

        HTML Code:
        <%a5
'the 17 or so line xbasic block of code that Alpha produces to support the menu would go here
%>
<!--Alpha Five Temporary Code Start - Will be automatically removed when page is published -->
<!--DO NOT REMOVE THIS ENTIRE SECTION.-->
</head><body><!-- Navigation System -->
<%a5
?x_mainmenu.Output.Body.navsysTBH
%>
</body></html>
<!--Alpha Five Temporary Code End -->
        The lines with <!-- are important. it fools Alpha into thinking the page has the html tags /body and /html but does not publish the code between the lines that include "temporary code start" and "temporary code end". If you don't include this block the page will complain when you save it, saying there is an xbasic block for Mainmenu, but no code to actually display the mainmenu (via the "x_mainmenu.Output.Body.navsysTBH").

        My header body and head include pages are a bit more complex than this, but same principal.

        Also, as was true with V10, just never go to the WYSIWYG tab for any page that is NOT a normal web page with html, title, body, etc. Alpha tries to "help" by adding missing html tags. As with many developers, I don't want Alpha to help with my code by automatically adding or rearranging stuff.
        Steve Wood
        See my profile on IADN

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          #5
          Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

          >>Also, as was true with V10, just never go to the WYSIWYG tab for any page that is NOT a normal web page with html, title, body, etc. Alpha tries to "help" by adding missing html tags. As with many developers, I don't want Alpha to help with my code by automatically adding or rearranging stuff.

          Steve,

          Are you saying that by simply going to the wysiwyg tab alpha already adds stuff ? In that case it would be good to have an option to disable the wysiwyg tab.
          Frank

          Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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            #6
            Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

            I don't know if v11 is different, but v10 will "help" by adding closing DIV tags if needed, always in the wrong spot.

            So many developers do default to the Source tab from View > Settings > Preferences > HTML Editor > Default Tab
            Steve Wood
            See my profile on IADN

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              #7
              Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

              I understand that but if by human error clicking on the wysiwyg tab screws your page (does it ?) then I'd favor an option to disable it rather then selecting another default tab.
              Frank

              Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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                Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

                I'm about 99% sure it does not "help" by adding code simply by your looking at wysiwyg tab - but only if you save when in the wysiwyg tab. Double check this with some test pages, but I have not seen it be quite that evil.
                Wendy Welton
                Architect
                past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                  #9
                  Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

                  Originally posted by WendyWelton View Post
                  I'm about 99% sure it does not "help" by adding code simply by your looking at wysiwyg tab - but only if you save when in the wysiwyg tab. Double check this with some test pages, but I have not seen it be quite that evil.
                  Wendy

                  That is not the way it worked in v10.

                  Just looking in WYSIWYG did change the html code..

                  Don't know about v11, but it's easy to test..
                  Al Buchholz
                  Bookwood Systems, LTD
                  Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                  Occam's Razor - KISS
                  Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                  Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                  When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.
                  "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                  Albert Einstein

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                    #10
                    Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

                    Wow! I must have just gotten lucky then. That is truly evil. I will definitely remember that!
                    Wendy Welton
                    Architect
                    past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                    http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                      #11
                      Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

                      V11 behaves like V10, it "helps" by adjusting your HTML when you go to WYSInWYG. Easy to test, create a brand new A5W page, go insert a "<div>" anywhere with no matching "</div>". It will insert one for you. That may seem harmless but if you had a complex page Alpha will, in its attempt to help, add or move around HTML and not necessarily close things like mismatched DIVS in the right place. In truth, it doesn't matter, once you have a properly formed page, nothing will be done to that page. So if it messes up your HTML, it was a little messed up to begin with. Personally, I'd rather turn off that feature, plus the one that helps me with my SQL syntax.
                      Steve Wood
                      See my profile on IADN

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                        #12
                        Re: v11 Styles - First Impressions

                        Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                        plus the one that helps me with my SQL syntax.
                        Choose the option for stored procedure instead of portable code... Then Alpha accepts what you've done and tries it... You're on your own for syntax...
                        Al Buchholz
                        Bookwood Systems, LTD
                        Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                        Occam's Razor - KISS
                        Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                        Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                        When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.
                        "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                        Albert Einstein

                        http://www.iadn.com/images/media/iadn_member.png

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