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    #31
    Re: new ..calendar component in v11

    The field mapping does not seem to work. I have a table that has all of the required field types but with different names. I was able to work around by creating a view from the original table and using alias names to match the required field names.
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      #32
      Re: new ..calendar component in v11

      Originally posted by Jeff Blackwell View Post
      One thing that I feel would be helpful from the Web2Cal folks is a trial developer license that we can put on ONE of our webservers so that we can demo this thing to our customers (paying $500 for the privilege of demoing their software seems a bit harsh...) PRODUCTION domain - that might make sense. But test domain???? yeesh.. Web2Cal's licensing does not currently allow for that. I've been swapping emails with Web2Cal regarding this - and they sent me an email this morning indicating that they were working with the Alpha gang on something like this. Bravo for that, if true. That said, their pricing is steep and I may have to look towards other calendar solutions. I like what I've seen so far, and LOVE alpha. That said - the Web2Cal stuff may on the spendy end for my client base.

      Jeff, Web2Cal does support a trial license for domains. Just email [email protected] and they can generate trial keys that will help you show case the application to your clients.
      Web2Cal Employee,
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      For general sales, Trial license, licensing, bulk-licensing, license for non-profit, contact [email protected]
      For Documentation, visit www.web2cal.com

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        #33
        Re: new ..calendar component in v11

        I find myself wishing a better price had been negotiated with web2cal. At $499 per domain, it's out of the question for my clients. Having it included in A5 should be a huge boost to them, and it really feels like there's not much of a concession for that. I could even spring for that much if it was per server, but not per domain. I was also excited about the calendar function, didn't realize how pricey the third party licensing would be - and will now be looking into other options, skipping right over it. I won't even be watching the videos or exploring it, which would simply be spending my time learning about something I can't have. Well, at least I found out here before pouring time into it. Sigh.
        Wendy Welton
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          #34
          Re: new ..calendar component in v11

          Agree with Wendy on this - per Server would make a heck of a lot more sense for Alpha folks. I tried to explain this to the Web2Cal folks, but I'm not sure that the message got through. To their credit they've been very cool about things. That said, I'm not sure that they realize the price mismatch. Or maybe they do?? Per server (as opposed to per domain) would surely help that a lot.

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            #35
            Re: new ..calendar component in v11

            I think it's very easy for folks like Web2Cal to think their stuff is just so blinkin' cool that it's "worth it". However, reality is that if the marketplace won't support it, the marketplace won't support it. The price of one component has to be in scale with the whole - and the whole has to be delivered at a price that's in scale with both the perceived value to the client and with the economic reality of the client's business. If a calendar like that is maybe 1/10th of a web site I do for one of my builders, the whole website would have to cost $5k! ... not gonna happen, not no how, not no way. Even if what I provide them is miles better than the gazillion $800 or $1200 options out there from a gazillion starving web designers - in the current economy, they're not going to cough up two month's mortgage payments just to have a calendar and a few more bells and whistles.

            So - I seriously think they're shooting themselves in the foot by choosing a high price over a high volume. If they either made the per domain price seriously more palatable, or offered bulk licensing (say a 10 pack), they could take off. At these prices, not so much.

            That said, there may not be that many other options - so the nice people at A5 may have done the best they could. But that doesn't change reality here on the ground. For myself, we didn't have a calendar before and we've managed, so we'll continue to manage. NASA spent some ungodly amount of money on a pen that would right upside down in zero gravity. The Russians took a pencil to space.
            Wendy Welton
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            http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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              #36
              Re: new ..calendar component in v11

              OK - here's the flaw in their pricing as I see it:

              At $495, that's retail. There should be a wholesale price to developers. Anyone here developing a web site using that calendar will be the one getting the support calls, spending the time to configure and integrate. So, for a pretty high price, we'd be actually spending more time and therefore making less than without it. Gucci doesn't charge Macy's list price.

              If they wanted to charge $495 for a first license, with whatever level of tech support they provide - and then $200 or $250 for add on licenses, with any support only through the original licensee, now we'd have something to talk about. Every other piece of professional software I've ever used (and boy, have I!) has had an add-on license price that runs anywhere from about 35% to a little over half. They do this for the same reasons - their loyal users become great advocates and ambassadors, official and unofficial beta testers, etc - and those running multiple licenses on average actually contribute more support than they consume via their participation in forums like this (and I see that they have one).

              Seriously - right now that calendar costs more than A5!

              I have spoken - and I know everything! ;-)
              Wendy Welton
              Architect
              past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

              http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                #37
                Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                I am like Frank as well. Bought the subscription way back and when i saw that a 3rd party component would be necessary I thought it would be a one time fee per developer not for every site.
                I have one builder that am trying to put a package togehter for and they have 4 different domains for there 4 regions and now they are going to have to pay $2000 in fees just for the component. This will probably kill the project. The calendar was the most important reason for me to upgrade. I love the product as well but will probably have to find another solution for calendaring for my clients as the Web2cal adder is just to much.

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                  #38
                  Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                  Wendy -

                  You may or may not know everything.... (evil grin)

                  But you are spot on in your thinking re: the pricing situation. And from my conversations with Web2Cal (to be clear - they've been nothing but great to work with), I think your analysis in post #34 is right on the money.

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                    #39
                    Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                    Has anybody looked into something like day pilot and what it would take to integrate into an A5 app? http://www.daypilot.org/ If we want to have any "bargaining power" we need a solid alternative, preferably more than one. This one isn't quite as "pretty", but pretty is as pretty does. It's a calendar, not a prom dress.

                    day_pilot.png
                    Wendy Welton
                    Architect
                    past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                    http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                      #40
                      Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                      For a commercial one http://dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtm...index.shtml?mn
                      dhtmlx seems like a possibility. And their licensing is much more intelligent than the current web2cal setup.

                      To the credit of the A5 team - integrating this is NO SMALL task and is not for the faint of heart. That said, if our customers won't eat it at the going rate - we have to do something. I'm sure that the A5 gang tried several different ones and may have comments on what works, what stinks, etc. I'd be VERY interested to hear their take on the various js libraries available.

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                        #41
                        Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                        Web2Cal does mention contacting them for a discount with bulk purchases. I want this plugin, but am at least a month from needing to make the purchase myself. I was thinking if we got a list of people who want this plugin, preferably all at the same license level, then we could simply purchase them together, after we determine the discount is worth the hassle. There may be some drawbacks, such as the license may need to all be the same type, we may loose free support, and not sure if it would be possible to upgrade these if we need to. But I am just guessing at all this right now.

                        We may need to get 10 people to get a serious discount. Also I have to wonder what the minimum discount we should accept to make this whole process worth it, such as 25%?

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                          #42
                          Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                          Originally posted by Jeff Blackwell View Post
                          For a commercial one http://dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtm...index.shtml?mn
                          dhtmlx seems like a possibility. And their licensing is much more intelligent than the current web2cal setup.

                          To the credit of the A5 team - integrating this is NO SMALL task and is not for the faint of heart. That said, if our customers won't eat it at the going rate - we have to do something. I'm sure that the A5 gang tried several different ones and may have comments on what works, what stinks, etc. I'd be VERY interested to hear their take on the various js libraries available.
                          That one looks fairly decent. I have found a few jQuery and javascript calendars, and they all seem to be lacking. But there is an Alpha member who already created a calendar.

                          In another forum, Selwyn said "we have been bundling the codejock activex calendar with Alpha Five for years now." This was interesting, because I never heard of this before. But searching I found a thread where they were working on it:

                          http://msgboard.alphasoftware.com/al...lendar-Control...

                          Now where do I find this "bundle"?

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                            #43
                            Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                            Originally posted by The Mage View Post


                            We may need to get 10 people to get a serious discount. Also I have to wonder what the minimum discount we should accept to make this whole process worth it, such as 25%?

                            I know that for my clients they are high by a factor of 2, so I'd have to see a 50% reduction. And unfortunately, I won't know until I have an example to show them how many would bite at that number, so I couldn't be part of that group of 10.

                            I know some folks have an immediate need, because they made promises to clients. For myself, I did not, so I'm taking the longer view. I think the very fact that the chosen calendar charges per domain where A5 does not is a big problem. Not only is it a mismatch for pricing policy, but it would leave us open to them simply changing their mind at any point on whatever discount was negotiated. So, you might get that discount once, have that calendar in your examples etc - and wham, the price goes right back up.
                            Wendy Welton
                            Architect
                            past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                            http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                              #44
                              Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                              Originally posted by Jeff Blackwell View Post


                              To the credit of the A5 team - integrating this is NO SMALL task and is not for the faint of heart.
                              Personally, I wouldn't care a whit if I could configure it from inside A5. I would only care that it would run in the application and appear seamlessly integrated to the end user. But yes, I imagine even that is no small feat.
                              Wendy Welton
                              Architect
                              past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                              http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                                #45
                                Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                                Originally posted by The Mage View Post
                                That one looks fairly decent. I have found a few jQuery and javascript calendars, and they all seem to be lacking. But there is an Alpha member who already created a calendar.

                                In another forum, Selwyn said "we have been bundling the codejock activex calendar with Alpha Five for years now." This was interesting, because I never heard of this before. But searching I found a thread where they were working on it:

                                http://msgboard.alphasoftware.com/al...lendar-Control...

                                Now where do I find this "bundle"?
                                Hmmmm - if we're really serious about a good alternative, we might be better off to talk about pooling our resources to pay someone with the right skill to get this done than to spend time negotiating with Cal2Web. No matter how flexible they would be at the outset, they've decided on charging by the domain and they've decided at the outset on a hefty price. So, imho, any price reduction from them would only be a bandaid. If I were going to spend $500, I'd rather put it towards a permanent solution.
                                Wendy Welton
                                Architect
                                past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                                http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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