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    #16
    Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

    I'm an Alpha developer.
    Peter
    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

    [email protected]
    https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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      #17
      Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

      Good for you... Where do you keep your helicopter?

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        #18
        Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

        Just because you are having a bad day doesn't mean you need to attack those who are trying to help.
        Peter
        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

        [email protected]
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          #19
          Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

          Originally posted by pulsoft View Post
          "I am confused. Can we start over again. The back and forth on this thread has me confused.

          1. What problem are you trying to solve? Is the problem:

          a) you can't get you app to work
          b) you can't install your app on another machine"

          My complaint is as follows:

          If you as a development tool developer provide a feature that claims to enable you to install an "Alpha" developed application by means of utilising your purchase of an unlimited run-time option and that advertised feature subsequently fails to provide what it purports to be able to do for you... Then that suggests to me that claims regarding installation capabilities should be tempered with the known limits of the product in question.
          Organisations failing to offer this advice are (in the UK at least) probably breaking the law.

          Sorry if I ruffle A5 V11 feathers here there and any where else...

          Apart from possibly having a vested interest in Alpha - Who is Mr. Greulich?

          Paul

          You are not ruffling anything. People on this forum are simply trying to help you. Let's just stick to the issue, which I am STILL not clear about.

          Is the issue that you can't install your app using the InstallMaker that comes with A5, or is it something else?

          If the issue is simply that you can't install your app using InstallMaker, then I suspect it is because of the .net framework, which I have previously mentioned.

          The Installmaker allows you to create an install for a) both the runtime files and your app files, or b) just your app files.

          You should choose option b.

          That leaves you with the task of getting the a5 runtime files installed on the target machine. I suggested earlier in this thread that the easiest way to do this is by distributing the a5 runtime install program itself.

          If you don't want to do that (for some reason that you have not made clear), then you can use a 3rd party install program. If you are going to use a 3rd party install program, then you might as well have it install your app files as well - not just the runtime files.

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            #20
            Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

            Originally posted by pulsoft View Post
            Good for you... Where do you keep your helicopter?
            If you install teamviewer on the XP machine maybe I can help two see more then one we are in the same timezone

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              #21
              Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

              "You are not ruffling anything. People on this forum are simply trying to help you. Let's just stick to the issue, which I am STILL not clear about.

              Is the issue that you can't install your app using the InstallMaker that comes with A5, or is it something else?

              If the issue is simply that you can't install your app using InstallMaker, then I suspect it is because of the .net framework, which I have previously mentioned.

              The Installmaker allows you to create an install for a) both the runtime files and your app files, or b) just your app files.

              You should choose option b.

              That leaves you with the task of getting the a5 runtime files installed on the target machine. I suggested earlier in this thread that the easiest way to do this is by distributing the a5 runtime install program itself.

              If you don't want to do that (for some reason that you have not made clear), then you can use a 3rd party install program. If you are going to use a 3rd party install program, then you might as well have it install your app files as well - not just the runtime files."


              What?

              Read my posts - don't hide your real acknowledgement and your feigned arrogant indifference about the composition of my previous posts.

              It is obvious what my issues with the documented Alpha 5 V11 developed application install features are.

              When you reply, please try answering in non-technical language...

              Thanks, Paul

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                #22
                Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                Hi Eric, thanks for the offer - Sane individual that you are...

                However, it is essential that Alpha sort this issue out.

                What is the point in spending large amounts of money on a set of products that fail to deliver what is promised and alluded to?

                I would like to touch base with you in the near future - you seem to identify with my frustrations with Alpha - albeit, sensibly it would seem, without voicing your frustrations openly.

                Thanks again,

                Paul
                Last edited by pulsoft; 11-22-2011, 07:44 PM.

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                  #23
                  Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                  "Just because you are having a bad day doesn't mean you need to attack those who are trying to help."

                  Sorry, you should see me in sunglasses....
                  I appreciate your time (as an Alpha guru and of course as the developer of various Alpha related web products) in looking at the posts and offering your help where you feel you can contribute.
                  I have had several bad days recently re. Alpha 5 V11 - I am sorry if I am venting my frustration on the Alpha forum - I certainly do not wish to attack any one...
                  Especially, those that wish to help.

                  Regards,

                  Paul

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                    #24
                    Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                    Paul,

                    I'm really happy with my choice for A5 although I only use web.
                    Well it is your choice by Alpha to dissolve because they are the supplier.
                    You have several options were offered to include Selwyn in person
                    What other dealer does this for you? I do not know them.
                    Take a drink Scotch Malt is better not to get as they say.
                    Tomorrow I am sure it will be solved.
                    See you at touch base. cheers Eric

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                      #25
                      Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                      I'm really happy with my choice for A5 although I only use web.
                      Well if your choice is by Alpha to dissolve because they are the supplier.
                      You have several options were offered to include Selwyn in person
                      What other dealer does this for you? I do not know them.
                      Take a drink Scotch Malt is better not to get as they say.
                      Tomorrow will be opgelos.
                      See you at touch base. cheers Eric


                      Hi there Eric,

                      I like a drink too.

                      What I have been experiencing is glee with the product - major disappointment with the hoped for end result.

                      This spotify track best sums up how I feel now...

                      http://open.spotify.com/track/3LhgCAkyHoW1AEYOcjccT7

                      Thanks for your Alpha loyalty.

                      Regards,

                      Paul

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                        #26
                        Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                        There is a new challenge and that is to make you a happy A5 developer

                        bedtime.

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                          #27
                          Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                          Yes, it is midnight here.

                          Sleep well - tomorrow the brickbats for my taunts and questioning...

                          Essentially, Message to Alpha - V11 Desktop related - Please provide as much support here (even if just relevant to deployment) as you are for the web, etc.

                          Thanks,

                          Paul

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                            #28
                            Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                            Could this be the problem, attached is a list of the required OSs to accept dotnet4 framework from the MS site. As you can see there is no mention of 'XP service pack 2' (Only 3)

                            dot net4 reqquirements.png

                            Michael
                            Last edited by Michael Humby; 11-23-2011, 04:38 AM.

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                              #29
                              Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                              Thanks for that Michael, however, my other PC is running SP3.

                              Because Selwyn (Alpha) seems to be sidestepping the issue by asking for clarification of the problem, even though I consider it to have been well documented above, I am going to write a small application in V10 and create an install executable. If this works on the XP SP3 PC then there is obviously something amiss with V11 and if it doesn't then there is either a problem with the PC or dotnet4 is not correctly installed.

                              BTW Michael, is it a pre-requisite that dotnet4 must be installed on the host pc for any distributed alpha 5 v11 application - or does the alpha installer take care of this?

                              Thanks again,

                              Paul

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                                #30
                                Re: Frustration and more frustration trying to install a V11 desktop app on another P

                                is it a pre-requisite that dotnet4 must be installed on the host pc for any distributed alpha 5 v11 application - or does the alpha installer take care of this?
                                I am not certain how this is supposed to work ie: if the Runtime .exe automatically installs or if we have to select one of the DotNet.exe files in the V11 Runtime folder and run that manually.

                                dotnetFrameworkAlpha.png

                                If it is a manual operation which of these two files that we should be concerned with.

                                These are the questions that I need answers for

                                Michael
                                Last edited by Michael Humby; 11-23-2011, 08:39 AM.

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