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    #1

    Soft Line Feed

    Is there an ASCI character for soft line feed (as in a report, a label..etc)?
    AKA soft return.
    AKA non-paragraph line break.
    Thanks
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    #2
    Re: Soft Line Feed

    oops
    Last edited by DaveM; 01-21-2012, 10:10 PM.
    Dave Mason
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      #3
      Re: Soft Line Feed

      crlf()

      as in
      "this is the first line" + crlf(1) +"and this is the next line."
      Bill Hanigsberg

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        #4
        Re: Soft Line Feed

        That's the hard one.. I am looking for the soft one.
        Thanks.

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          #5
          Re: Soft Line Feed

          G, I don't think there's an ASCII character for a "soft return". I think this is handled by each application, with many programs using the Shift-Enter key combination.

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            #6
            Re: Soft Line Feed

            Yes..though many combo keys have ASCI characters and codes..this one seems to elude me. The closest I came up with is this:
            SoftReturn.png
            which doesn't translate into anything.
            I thought I could research this a little further but I fear it might be a waste of time.

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              #7
              Re: Soft Line Feed

              What behavior are you trying to achieve?
              Bill Hanigsberg

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                #8
                Re: Soft Line Feed

                I am trying to count the soft line feed.
                More context:
                alpha has many functions to count lines in a list, e.g. : line_count(), *count(), w_count() etc.
                In an RTF (or anything equivalent) when you have word wrap instated, the number of lines visible (not the same as hard lines) will vary according to so many variables: the width of the RTF, the font face and size..etc.
                You could perhaps write a function to count the visible lines, but that would be very onerous. I thought I should be able to count the soft/hard line feeds and that should accomplish the mission. No ASCI for soft feeds that I came across so far...
                So, I am re-thinking the logic unless someone stumbles on that ASCI code.

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                  #9
                  Re: Soft Line Feed

                  In Notepad++ the ASCII value for the RTF character found in the Symbol set, seems to be 191 or 194...though I am sure that is probably wrong! RTF Info
                  Last edited by MoGrace; 01-22-2012, 04:58 PM.
                  Robin

                  Discernment is not needed in things that differ, but in those things that appear to be the same. - Miles Sanford

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                    #10
                    Re: Soft Line Feed

                    Neither works.

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                      #11
                      Re: Soft Line Feed

                      G, suggest you count carriage returns, but not linefeeds. -- tom

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                        #12
                        Re: Soft Line Feed

                        I think that the reason that you can't count the "soft-returns" is that they don't exist. There is no way to retrieve the modified string from a rich text object it is done on the fly as it is displayed. The original string is never changed only the way it is displayed.

                        Allen

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                          #13
                          Re: Soft Line Feed

                          Originally posted by Tom Cone Jr View Post
                          G, suggest you count carriage returns, but not linefeeds. -- tom
                          I already tried that..no luck
                          I think that the reason that you can't count the "soft-returns" is that they don't exist. There is no way to retrieve the modified string from a rich text object it is done on the fly as it is displayed. The original string is never changed only the way it is displayed.
                          The string is never changed in any case..it's the formatting done by these non-printable characters..that somehow has to have an ASCI code.

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                            #14
                            Re: Soft Line Feed

                            G, have you explored the source file with a hex editor? This should expose the specific character the source app is using for soft-line feeds, if in fact they are present. You could then load the source file as binary and count those specific characters.

                            You have a different (and perhaps insoluble) problem if you're trying to count something that is not present in the source, as for example, in cases where the program displaying the source file simply wraps text during display, without storing a marker in the source.

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                              #15
                              Re: Soft Line Feed

                              I haven't done that yet Tom.
                              To your second point, the idea that a soft feed is just a markup for displaying purpose only seems unlikely based on the fact that when you wrap the text in a document then print it, the OS must send a certain character to instruct the printer to print the text wrapped as displayed. That's the elusive character(s) I am searching for. It is not cr nor lf... not sure what it is.
                              I think Microsoft might have the answer, and if I have the time, I would explore it further. At this point I am taking a different approach to this issue.
                              Incidentally, I ran a script that would explore any and every possible code for this soft return.. nothing panned out. My guess is, the code is there, used by the OS but neither alpha nor many other applications expose it.
                              And as an aside, I found out long time ago that, you could produce the same character using a different code in an application like alpha that might not be reproducible in a different application.

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