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    Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

    A phone app I'm developing starts with a panel_applicationnavigator, which includes a panel_login card and a panel_application card. This panel application card holds a single embedded object, a UX component that provides a dropdown with "account" choices and a choice of two buttons, which when clicked send the user to either of two panels consisting of lists set up for disconnected operations.

    After logging in on the (Android) phone, I get what seems like a blank screen and it doesn't change. If I hit "reload" on the phone browser, I quickly get the filled-out login panel and then the embedded object UX component I want to see.

    This did not happen before, only since I changed the panels to lists for disconnected operations, as far as I remember, has this occurred. I get the same result from the app loaded as a PhoneGap app, which I eventually need this to be, since being able to start the app in that disconnected state (the app involves property inspection and picture taking, and some locations are not or poorly accessible for mobile phone access) is required.

    Any ideas on what this might be about? Thanks!

    ************************************

    For the Embedded Object Properties, I have the following settings: (If no property is shown, it is blank or default setting.)

    Show mode: When page is loaded
    Object type: Component
    Break: After

    In Panel Card Properties:
    Fill Panel Card Container and Delay Render till visible are both checked.

    Component Definition: - all defaults, except of course for Component name

    Security Groups - set properly, like the other components
    Tags: None
    #2
    Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

    Guess nobody else has had this problem...weird. Doesn't matter which component I use as the 'Embedded Object", even a simple sample UX component has the same effect.

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      #3
      Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

      I have the same problem. Every time I login mobile or browser it redirects with blank screen. a refresh then launches the correct page. There must be a server side refresh that is missing.

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        Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

        CCL Admin, just wanted to let you know I solved my problem with the embedded object due to something I saw on one of Selvin's videos - and I haven't seen it anywhere else. A component with an embedded object needs to have an actual web page, an .a5w page or it will not function properly. Once I just saved my component to an .a5w page and published it, it all worked. Although I am having problems again with this; I think it has to do with Web Security settings as well. That is another piece of work, since there are two ways to do THAT as well.

        Wish that was all it took to solve my other problems...this is so much work, and the documentation, outside of the videos, is not very useful, IMHO (I am being kind here). The amount of specific, case-by-case detail one needs to know to make anything more than the simplest functionality work is staggering. I'm guessing Alpha doesn't do well enough in sales to afford real documentation efforts. The videos are great but seem to solve very specific problems and don't generalize well.

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          #5
          Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

          Simon, thanks for your info, unfortunately I still have the same problem as I did create a .a5w and it still doesn't work. You are spot on with your view of the lack of Alpha's ability to post relevant documentation as to real world application's and training. It takes forever to work your way through troubleshooting these things. Their lack of effort to maintain up to date documentation is keeping them from being better than just a bellow average company. They have yet to meet my expectations, and I hope their management reads and take to heart these comments so maybe, just maybe they could better post real world up to date documentation and videos that show how they actually got things to work. Don't get me wrong as I like AlphaAnywhere, but it could be so much more if they dedicated more resources to documentation and videos. (Score; AlphaAnywhere C+ , documentation D-)

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            #6
            Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

            Doing anything complicated (that's a relative thing of course), changes Alpha from being easy to frustrating. It's worth the effort as Alpha fills gaps that would cost many times more done any other way.

            So where does that leave you, frustrated because the thing you want to do isn't easily searchable for on the web. How to fix this? Alpha's videos are a good start, an even better start is finding a developer who will write exactly what you want and show you how to do it (mentor you).

            Once you have a working example of how to do the various things that are abstract (ajaxcallbacks, pointers to parent objects, disconnected applications, etc) from your interactions with a person you like working with, you'll find your productivity will skyrocket. Don't give up.

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              #7
              Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

              Thanks, Clint. One of the problems a lot of us face are the fact that the videos, while excellent, are almost always done within the development environment, and then we get to the live environment and get tripped up (usually that is a security or access issue not faced in the dev env, but not always.) I've worked really hard, watching videos, paying for instructional videos from Twin Peaks, but again most of the examples and training illustrations wind up being one-of; the lack of generalization is a killer. I fought for weeks with problems getting a photo into my database when all of a sudden it worked properly due to an AA12 update - and that update wasn't even described before hand, it just "showed up" one day. All my time wasted, chasing a bug.

              Sometimes I take days and figure something out, it works, maybe I'm not sure why, maybe I think I do understand it, and then I make another change and boom! My fix-before-this is gone.

              Is there, anywhere, a clear and complete set of examples and how-tos having to do with session variables in AA? There seem to be more conditions, differences and gotchas in this area than there are stars in the sky :(

              I have shrunk the app I have been working on for many, many months (I am about to be tortured by the poor folks for whom I am doing this) down to a login page, a single component with 4 panel cards, and their associated a5w pages. This is a mobile app used to take photos and record text about physical repairs and maintenance into a MySQL database and generates two different reports (one-of and recurring) to be sent by email from the phones. Because it needs to work disconnected, there is the appropriate list. I have a little more work to do with how the already-entered-record list shows in the phone, but everything else works, but nothing..works...at the same time!

              Today, because I created a totally new version, I need to re-use the AlphaDAO connection string, but am unable to enter the string into the profile for the server version. I get "Property not found atemp.arrVars[] subelement not found." Huh? Look that up in the "Documentation" and I find..nothing close. If I look up AlphaDAO in the "Documentation" I get what looks like a hundred topics to choose from, from V9, V10, V10.5, V11.

              So, I am looking to PAY SOMEONE to help me get this project over with...shouldn't be too hard if you have the loads of experience many of you have.

              Any takers???
              Last edited by simonjm; 05-06-2015, 06:48 PM.

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                #8
                Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

                Is your app staying as a web app running on a phone... or do you plan on going through PhoneGap Build for an installable app?

                Do you mean you've got a login page and its a5w page and a component and its a5w page? If so, then you're probably be better off using the integrated login functionality of the UX component.
                Last edited by Davidk; 05-06-2015, 08:54 PM.

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                  Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

                  Hi David; it has been and will be again a PhoneGap Build, as soon as I can get it working on the server. I've got that working before; you've actually been helpful on that, in that beginnings of this project. Like being able to get a simple connection string working...

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                    Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

                    Sorry, missed the 2nd part of your question...my login page is a UX component, and the other component is embedded in the login component...that seemed to make the most sense. And it needs to be a PhoneGap build, because the connection breaks pretty easy and often when the users are, and so the newer (late 2014) capability of disconnected app is essential, and AFAIK that REQUIRES PhoneGap or something like it.

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                      #11
                      Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

                      Since you're using PGB and want run the app disconnected then you cannot use embedded objects. Use integrated login and ensure everything is in one UX. You'll need a connection to log in and after that you can go offline.

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                        Re: Embedded Object needs manual "reload" to display on phone

                        OK, so I redid this. Again. Simplified a bit, can add on pieces later. So I have everything in one UX, with integrated login, but no embedded objects. One index.a5w, that contains the entire, single web component, because I need an a5w page, even though this will only be a PG app. Right so far?
                        After entering username and pw clicking the Login button executes {dialog.object}.login(), it doesn't appear that the {dialog.object}.panelSetActive('PANEL_APPLICATION') executes. If I add that to the login button, it does get to the PANEL_APPLICATION code but then returns to login after a few seconds. I have the index.a5w "always allowed" and the component "requires login".
                        It seems that "no embedded objects" forcing "everything in one component for PG" rule creates some difficulties, certainly in my understanding. I don't see it explained anywhere that I can find, but then again this is not unusual.

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