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  • Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

    I am still confused on the licensing of Alpha Anywhere v12. I haven't seen anything definitive on this (at least that is clear to me).

    I have a Developer, Runtime and Application Server license for v11 and use them all for our internal application. We do not market this app as it is tailored to our business.

    If I choose to stay with v11, I can continue to utilize the existing software forever without any additional fees.

    If I upgrade all of the above to v12 am I committing myself to a monthly licensing fee for Application Server to Alpha Software forever?

    Do any of the Alpha Anywhere products require an ongoing monthly or yearly licensing fee for continued use?

    I would like to get this clarified before I make the investment.

    Thanks

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    Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

    Mark,

    The real question is do you need to deploy your application on mobile devices? If you do then consider how you want your users to work with your application. Just through the browser, or to make use of the panels in a mobile device? If it is just going to be through the browser, the stick with V11.

    If this is for a business application and you want to use it on a mobile device, then you will need V12. Yes there would be an ongoing charge but your company is already paying fees to your ISP and no doubt to other service providers too. So why should Alpha be left out?

    You makes your choices and pays your money.
    Regards
    Keith Hubert
    Alpha Guild Member
    London.
    KHDB Management Systems
    Skype = keith.hubert


    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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    • #3
      Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

      hello
      i have same exact stuff and use it the same way.
      If I choose to stay with v11, I can continue to utilize the existing software forever without any additional fees.
      yes as far as i know.
      thanks for reading

      gandhi

      version 11 3381 - 4096
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      • #4
        Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

        Sorry, I am still confused...

        Currently, we run our office on a networked desktop application (dbf). We then send the dbf files to the application server so our clients can view the data online.

        If I upgrade to v12 and use the software in the same capacity as I am currently using v11, are there long term subscription requirements?

        If I upgrade to v12 and choose not to continue my subscription, will my existing web app no longer be useable?

        Are the long term licensing requirements only applicable if I utilize the new mobile app feature?

        I would like to upgrade to keep current with updates, etc but I will not force myself into a long term commitment. I have upgraded to every version since the old DOS days, but I will not tolerate it being forced on me.

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        • #5
          Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

          hello
          if you buy version 12 on onetime fee based or subscription model and stick with that for a year then discontinue then all is yours. all programs will work, except as far as i know, application server. that will need subscription as of today.
          thanks for reading

          gandhi

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          • #6
            Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

            Originally posted by Keith Hubert View Post
            Mark,

            If this is for a business application and you want to use it on a mobile device, then you will need V12. Yes there would be an ongoing charge but your company is already paying fees to your ISP and no doubt to other service providers too. So why should Alpha be left out?
            Using this logic, I should start sending Logitech a monthly subscription fee because I used their keyboard to type in the code that runs my app. I should send Microsoft a monthly subscription because I used Windows 8 to run the software that created my app, etc etc etc...

            Not going to happen - sorry and so long Alpha Software...

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            • #7
              Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

              Stick with V11.
              It will probably do everything you want at the moment.
              It's not subject to a license so what you have is yours.
              It remains to be seen whether Alpha will carry on supporting V11, but I suspect that they will.
              Ted Giles
              Example Consulting - UK
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              sigpichttp://ec12.example-software.com//
              See our site for Alpha Support, Conversion and Upgrade.

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              • #8
                Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                You should probably ask Alpha Customer Service. Maybe you get an answer.

                If you purchase v12, in your situation you will need the Application Server. That will take a subscription or a perpetual license to be bought ONCE. You have a choice.
                You will also need the developer version. That will take a subscription with (as far as I know) NO option for a perpetual license and NO a-la-carte option (although Selwyn once stated there would always be one).
                Instead, you can stop your subscription after one year, and you may continue to use it but there will be no more updates.
                If you end your Application Server subscription and you have NOT bought a perpetual license, as far as I know, your application will cease to function.
                You will need an Application Server license for every server you need to install.

                This is about it.
                As Ted suggested, your alternative is continue to use v11 but that has no specific mobile functions like the UX-component. However, you did not specify the need for that.

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                • #9
                  Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                  According to Alphas "Buy" page
                  You can also buy Perpetual use, unlimited user licence that you own.
                  For the same price as 2 year subscription (which has to be renewed to continue)
                  The perpetual option offer six months of updates.

                  Afterthought
                  Why offer that ?
                  IF you were guaranteed of a fully functioning de-bugged AppSrvr. its a no brainer.
                  BUT what if there are still problems after the 6month update period is over?
                  Last edited by Ray in Capetown; 07-05-2013, 05:07 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                    I am in the same situation as you Mark. I hope they rethink their current pricing as this is not within my budget. I will stick with v11 until I find an alternative or Alpha comes back down to my budget. Hopefully the latter.
                    Last edited by frankbicknell; 07-06-2013, 03:22 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                      In my view, Alpha has launched a long-term vision for the development of applications for mobile devices.
                      A necessary and therefore an understandable decision because developments in technology are increasingly.
                      For those who need and like to use V12 the price will be no objection.

                      Of course this decision by Alpha Software is disappointing for us, DT developers.
                      But we must not forget about what we paid on average per year to Alpha Software.

                      We are - in most cases - small software developers who (now) good work with version 11.
                      Let us keep an eye on the developments of Alpha Software for the future and in the meantime we must remain active and continue to code share on the code archive forum.

                      Ton
                      Last edited by Ton Spies; 07-07-2013, 08:05 AM. Reason: translation error
                      Most things are simple but unfortunately only after the first time

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                      • #12
                        Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                        My God Ton, how good to read something from your hand again! How are you today? Still in the Alpha-business?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                          Hi Marcel,

                          I'm still alive, healthy and happy still working with Alpha.
                          I am also concerned about the DT future with A5 but the boys in Burlington also probably (more than me!).
                          So they will not forget us and come back some day.

                          Have you ever read a pdf file (with select and copy)?
                          I just decompose a Rabo bank statement to detect changes of address.

                          Working on some preparations for SEPA with IBAN

                          Do you use classes? I struggle about classes. I would like to use them but there are really too few instructive examples.
                          But I'm not clear when and how you use them.

                          But again on-topic: There are quite nice functions and methods only for DT and have not made a transition to web.

                          groeten

                          Ton

                          Ik wens je een prettige vakantie! (translate.google.com)
                          Most things are simple but unfortunately only after the first time

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                          • #14
                            Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                            I understand your problems with using classes. Indeed, examples are way too less instructive and not very to the point. Alpha Five nowadays uses classes and .NET objects itself for its own structure. They could do A LOT better creating easy understandable examples where (from the very beginning of explaining OO a bit!) they take the developer by the hand and walk through the implementation of it. I have vented this before, but they simply don't and what there is now is hardly enough for most developers. A pity, and if you ask me, a missed opportunity.

                            Yes, for desktop developers times seem to have changed. Costs are exploding (up to 400 percent) in a time where everybody needs to cut down on expenses. And that without any significant visible additional features. I am still not convinced on v12, but many have already decided NOT to upgrade because of several arguments like price, vendor lock-in etc etc. The new license policy is not making any friends among desktop developers. However, everybody has a choice and there are many competitive products out there of equal or higher quality so there is enough to choose from. Past experiences however do matter a lot, for the better and for the worse.

                            Of lately I have been heavily involved in connecting Alpha to API's using RESTful statements and under the OAuth2.0 protocol. If there is a need for something to explore, I will do so. If not, it needs to wait until time allows.

                            Will IBAN give you difficulty? I understand it's just a matter of resizing your bank account fields? Or is that too simplistic a thought? Would you care to elaborate a bit on the problems you encounter with IBAN?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Clarification on Alpha Anywhere V12 licensing

                              Marcel, could you elaborate a teeney bit on

                              Code:
                              Of lately I have been heavily involved in connecting Alpha to API's using RESTful statements and under the OAuth2.0 protocol. If there is a need for something to explore, I will do so. If not, it needs to wait until time allows.
                              Also, my experience has been that if you are an existing (and especially long time) customer, they will negotiate with you.
                              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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