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    #31
    Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

    Originally posted by kingcarol View Post
    Good words, Chris. I'm going back to my attitude that somehow we are all partners in this and will end up with awesome products.

    TODAY, it turns out that I am going to spend my entire day combing through all of my many, many grids and replacing all e.session occurrances with just session and all my e.rv with request.variables . (of which I probably have a few thousand occurances now) This is a suggestion I received from Alpha this morning because it turns out the e.session and e.rv used to set session variables 'MAY not work in the future'. Smile, Carol, Smile, Carol, Smile, Carol....
    e.session and e.rv are deprecated in V11. This means that they will continue to function at least through V11, but they will be removed in the future. The exact timing of the removal is not yet set in stone. It could be as early as V12, but it will not be before then.

    This means that all new code that you write should use Request.Variables and Session directly instead of e.rv and e.session in order to ensure future compatibility. Request.Variables and Session work now, and they will continue to work in future versions.

    As you revisit your existing code and find areas where you have used the deprecated variables, it would be a good idea to update them in order to have that code ready for the future. But there is no need to stop everything now and rewrite existing code that works, as e.session and e.rv will continue to work at least through all of the V11 releases.

    Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
    That's what you call sticking your neck out, Carol. If you are really going to do that won't all your e stuff no longer work? If I were you I would wait until such time a clear path has been revealed to all.
    e.rv gets replaced with Request.Variables. e.Session gets replaced with Session. This worked in V10, works in V11 and will work in V11+. There is no harm in making the change now in advance of the removal of e.rv and e.session, and as I said above, you should be using Request.Variables and Session exclusively in any new code so you won't have to go back and change it in the future.

    Lenny Forziati
    Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
    Alpha Software Corporation

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      #32
      Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

      Originally posted by kingcarol View Post
      hmmm, Peter, you may be right... a dilemna... maybe I should just decide that if e.session MAY not work in the future as they said, that Alpha will be responsible enough to do something that won't suddenly hammer everybody's e.session stuff for real. (behind the scenes conversion of some sort?) I guess I'll just get on with what I originally planned to do today... uh.... what WAS that I thought I'd do before getting all side tracked into these bugs for the past several days? :)
      Publicly documenting and discussing that e.rv and e.session are deprecated are the responsible actions. If you are not familiar with deprecation, it is a process in software development to indicate that something has been replaced with newer functionality and should no longer be used. This is a warning that the deprecated functionality will continue to work for a while, but will not work at some point in the future.

      When Alpha deprecates something, it will continue to support it through at least the current release. Sometimes we maintain it longer, but we may not, so you should begin using the replacement in any new code immediately, and in any existing code at your convenience.

      Lenny Forziati
      Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
      Alpha Software Corporation

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        #33
        Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

        Thank you, Lenny, for your wonderful explanation about this. Since I HAVE had some things suddenly break throughout all of my grids due to a change Alpha has made, I get very nervous and have a tendancy to want to make as SURE as possible that I don't have some lurking thing that will give me grief in the future. IE, the idea that numerical session variables may not work in the future remains like some annoying gnat in the back of my head as I continue to need them and include them in my code. I'm sorry that my mind is mush, but I think you made a suggestion for pre-preparing for that possibility also. Can you remind us what that was?
        Carol King
        Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
        http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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          #34
          Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

          Thanks Lenny. I wish the jiffy help in grids and dialogs reflected this.
          Peter
          AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

          [email protected]
          https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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            #35
            Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

            I wish the jiffy help in grids and dialogs reflected this.
            Looks like they are changing the jiffy help, Peter. This screenshot may only be in the latest pre-release...don't know. http://screencast.com/t/YMtbbc1L
            Carol King
            Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
            http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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              #36
              Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

              Originally posted by kingcarol View Post
              Looks like they are changing the jiffy help, Peter. This screenshot may only be in the latest pre-release...don't know. http://screencast.com/t/YMtbbc1L
              That's good Carol, but it is one UGLY change if you know what I mean.
              Peter
              AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

              [email protected]
              https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                #37
                Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                I definitely know what you mean, Peter. Look at me searching for my use of e.session in my web project... very short video: http://screencast.com/t/CD7mOvFH
                Carol King
                Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
                http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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                  #38
                  Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                  Funny ;)
                  Peter
                  AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                  [email protected]
                  https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                    #39
                    Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                    Originally posted by kingcarol View Post
                    Look at me searching for my use of e.session in my web project... http://screencast.com/t/CD7mOvFH
                    Okay, I give, where is this search project function ??
                    Alpha Anywhere v12.4.6.5.2 Build 8867-5691 IIS v10.0 on Windows Server 2019 Std in Hyper-V

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                      #40
                      Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                      Here you go, Stephen: http://screencast.com/t/ekEDejllk (a VERY handy tool indeed!)
                      Carol King
                      Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
                      http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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                        #41
                        Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                        Oh good grief! I swear I looked at the menus and it wasn't there until you pointed it out. No really.

                        Thanks Carol.
                        Alpha Anywhere v12.4.6.5.2 Build 8867-5691 IIS v10.0 on Windows Server 2019 Std in Hyper-V

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                          #42
                          Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                          Just experimented with replacing e.session with session on one grid that sets 56 session variables. Not too painful using Select All and then Find and Replace. Didn't seem to break anything. Video: http://screencast.com/t/tsthgjA2wr4r
                          Last edited by kingcarol; 05-15-2012, 12:15 PM.
                          Carol King
                          Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
                          http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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                            #43
                            Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                            Oh good grief! I swear I looked at the menus and it wasn't there until you pointed it out. No really.
                            My customers tell me all the time that I have magic like that, Stephen. :)
                            Carol King
                            Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
                            http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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                              #44
                              Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                              So..... Pete Conway.... did you have any issues with tabbed ui in the pre-release we are discussing here? I just realized that the grid (or stuff) on my Home tab disappears when I open another pane from it that has a grid in it, and then close it. It does not happen if I open and close a tab pane that has a page layout on it. This is happening in IE 8 and was not happening before. It is not occurring in Firefox. I have sent a bug report to Alpha and they have suggested I clear temporary files from browser, etc., but nothing is helping.
                              Carol King
                              Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
                              http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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                                #45
                                Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

                                The edit combo lookups have been fixed to behave the way they were before I got this pre-release. I have installed a newer one and they are working. Also, another thing I mentioned about opening grid component that has no records producing an error 2nd time it is opened has been fixed.
                                Carol King
                                Developer of Custom Homebuilders' Solutions (CHS)
                                http://www.CHSBuilderSoftware.com

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