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    email marketing from WAS???

    e-mail marketing...

    i currently use netmailer from the desktop app for email marketing, but i wanted to know is it possible to email an entire database or a group of records from the v8 or v9 WAS?

    thanks

    richard

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    Re: email marketing from WAS???

    can anyone help me with this, has anyone used the WAS for bulk mailings???

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      #3
      Re: email marketing from WAS???

      Define 'bulk". How many? I would not send more than 25 at a time out of WAS. It is not a bulk email machine. While you are sending those emails, the server will slow down. The browser window you are using will appear locked up for the duration of the send. I'm guessing that will be registered on the CPU as additional load.

      Now, you could work it out on the WAS if you read up on how to effectively send bulk email. Its not a technical challenge, but how to follow the ISP rules and not get in trouble. You'd have to program the WAS to follow those rules. And by that time its more cost effective to use a bulk email operation like ConstantContact.

      If you don't learn and follow the rules, and you send thousands of emails from your own domain a couple things will eventually happen. You will get blacklisted as a spammer, your ISP will cancel your account. Almost all of your email with addresses like AOL, Hotmail, Yahoo will be 100% blocked (because those entities watch for duplicate email and then block the email for all accounts.) Most of your email won't even get through because

      Here is a clip from one ISP's policy page on bulk email:

      Sometimes our customers want to advertise their services by sending bulk email. Yes, it can be done, if it is done correctly. When we receive a spam complaints on your domain, it's clear it was not done correctly, and your domain will be terminated from service. Here are some frequent responses (arguments) that we get from our customers, which may be helpful to you.

      Q. I�m not doing anything illegal. I even have an �opt out� function, or an �unsubscribe� link in the email.
      A. It doesn�t matter. It�s not illegal to run a blacklist site, and it�s not illegal for an ISP to subscribe to their Spam filtering services. We still will be blacklisted.

      Actually, its a prtty good list, here is the website: https://help.maximumasp.com/KB/a191/...-web-site.aspx
      Steve Wood
      See my profile on IADN

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        #4
        Re: email marketing from WAS???

        thanks steve, gives something to think about and helps with my decision on that part of my app.

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          #5
          Re: email marketing from WAS???

          Steve's comments are right on. However I will tell you this.
          I maintain a site for retreat group on my server. And we do bulk email from it to the members using WAS.
          We have been doing this for over a year now. A couple of notes though.
          The email run is typically about 1500 names. I have a restriction on the email process that will only 10 runs per month and no more than 2 in one day. Emails without an attachment are sent individually, that is, only 1 email address recipient per email. If there is an attachment, then it will batch names so that it sends to 5 recipients in one email.

          This is working quite well for us and we no complaints from my ISP, nor do we get "aol" type blocks.

          Prior to that we used an email service from authsmtp.com. They gave us good service and the pricing was in line for us.

          mike
          Mike Reed
          Phoenix, AZ

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            Re: email marketing from WAS???

            hi mike,

            thanks for responding, i have been sending similiar numbers out through our own server using netmailer with no problems from our isp etc.

            i am hosting this new webiste on oneandone (who also happens to be our isp) not our own server and i was worried that sending out such numbers might cause an issue using this method.

            i think i will give it a go. any chance you could point me in the direction of how to set up bulk emailing from the WAS.

            TIA

            richard

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              #7
              Re: email marketing from WAS???

              Hi,
              I'll send you an email on how I can help.

              mike
              Mike Reed
              Phoenix, AZ

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                #8
                Re: email marketing from WAS???

                Here is a handy reference to the larger ISP's and their email policy.

                http://www.arialsoftware.com/KnowingYourISP.htm

                Mike, how about adding all of us to your Retreat list, could use a vacation.
                Steve Wood
                See my profile on IADN

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                  Re: email marketing from WAS???

                  Mike, how about adding all of us to your Retreat list, could use a vacation.
                  is this a dig at someone helping me??? A5 WAS is not easy, the help files are not very good and there isn't enough posts on the board with info.

                  alpha 5 is for non programmers, im a non programmer. without help how do we progress, what would be the point in buying alpha 5 if we couldn't be productive.

                  The Web part of alpha 5 is so difficult and there seems to be only a handful of people who have any real experience/skills.

                  i have 2 posts currently, which should be fairly easy to resolve, but im not getting any real answers to solve the problems.

                  I would gladly share anything i have managed to achieve which someone else may consider useful.

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                    Re: email marketing from WAS???

                    is this a dig at someone helping me???
                    Richard - of course not, that thought would never cross my mind. I had spoken with Mike recently, met him for the first time about two weeks ago, so it was a very friendly comment, if somewhat between he and I. I was suggesting I personally could use a retreat, and I assumed most of us would love the same thing. NOTHING other than that.

                    I think I speak for everyone when I say I enjoy helping on the message board, and at the same time am often at a loss on how to provide complete answers to complex questions. "Alpha is for non-programmers" is one of those statements where it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Selwyn said it well in a recent video "Alpha is for developers who don't want to write code unless they really have to". But at some point, if your application has unique characteristics, you need to write code. And that can become difficult quickly if you don't do it every day.

                    So be sure, I'm ready to assist without reservation or putting anyone down.
                    Steve Wood
                    See my profile on IADN

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                      Re: email marketing from WAS???

                      sorry steve,

                      im normally a calm man, but these silly few items i cant complete on alpha 5 WAS has really been stressing me out.

                      ive appreciated all the help i have which has helped me build a very large comprehensive desktop application with some really cool features.

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                        #12
                        Re: email marketing from WAS???

                        Make a short list of those items here so we can refresh.
                        Steve Wood
                        See my profile on IADN

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                          #13
                          Re: email marketing from WAS???

                          1. was the sending an email from a .a5w page - which i accomplished this morning using email_smtp_open() http://msgboard.alphasoftware.com/al...ad.php?t=83018


                          2. is the current issue of registering web users. which is in the wrong forum (sorry) http://msgboard.alphasoftware.com/al...ad.php?t=83017

                          3. can the WAS process php scripts http://msgboard.alphasoftware.com/al...ad.php?t=83041

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                            #14
                            Re: email marketing from WAS???

                            On number two: rename your Email control to Userid and then add this to the after validate at the top:

                            uservalue.email = currentform.controls.userid.value
                            Steve Wood
                            See my profile on IADN

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                              #15
                              Re: email marketing from WAS???

                              steve,

                              thank you...

                              i had 2 other projects that i had abondened because i couldnt get this working.


                              ill post your answer to the thread.

                              really appreciate it.

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