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    #1

    Tables disappearing in operation tab

    These estrange incidents are becoming now more often.
    I try to start a new operation and select append.
    Select the master table.
    Select genie to build (or just create).
    when try to show the transaction table, is not there.
    The table is in the system.
    the table is working fine and forms and sets based on it, are working fine.
    I have added a field to the table and saved it.
    I have pack the db.
    I have reattached all the tables.
    I have duplicated the table and delete the original and duplicated back. (by the way, In operation I see the new duplicated table, NOT THE ORIGINAL).
    Instead of copy the copy back to original, I try renaming the copy to the original name.
    Even after creating an append operation based on the new name, I can not go back to that operation and change the transaction table.
    None works.
    In the past few instances when this happen, they were temporary tables used for import and I managed to delete and recreate.
    So eventually I was able to finish.
    This time is one of the main tables and now it does not want to show.

    It seems that the name used of that table will not be recognized.
    I have read a few threads and some point to table index corruption.
    If this is the case, how can this index or corruption be fixed?
    any utility to do this kind of fixing?
    Am I running into some limits(I have about 40 tables and 10 sets)?
    Computer has 4 gb of memory and is W7 ULTIMATE.
    Any other suggestion?
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    Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

    Mike,
    a "table" is actually 4 separate "files"
    tablename.dbf - data
    tablename.ddd - dictionaries
    tablename.ddm - dictionaries
    tablename.ddx - dictionaries

    and, if it has an index
    tablename.cdx - indexes
    and if it has a memo field
    tablename.fpt - memo data

    all layouts (forms, reports, labels, letters,) as well as operations are stored in the ddd/ddx/ddm files

    if you delete a "table" from the Alpha control panel, Alpha will delete all related "files" from the folder containing the database - thus you will have lost the operations as well as all layouts.

    hope this helps
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      #3
      Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

      I too have suffered this issue with missing tables in the genies. I've always been able to solve it by closing and relaunching the application.
      Wise Alpha once said said to me...
      ..."Change must begin first."

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        #4
        Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

        Where did you load Alpha?
        If it's in the Program Files section, suggest you reinstall outside of that folder.
        I've had a few issues with Win7, Quad 4-i5, 8Gig, + SS Boot D.

        Also, have you got a RunTime installed in the same folder? That has also caused Win7 some hiccoughs!
        Last edited by Ted Giles; 03-09-2011, 10:16 AM. Reason: Additional thoughts
        See our Hybrid Option here;
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        Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
        You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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          #5
          Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

          Ted, Alpha is installed in the program files(86x)
          Its been there for the past 2 years. First as version 9 and now ver10.
          I just got the latest from Alpha as of march 8th. 4091-3658.

          by closing and relaunching the application. Have done many times.

          Martin thanks for the explanation, but how we explain that we ca see the new duplicated table in the append operation genie and not just this table.

          Later I will try to export the data and and reimport back into a new table. Then I will reload all the indexes and the rules.

          hope I ca fix it.

          Perhaps there is a better way to fix this problem.

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            #6
            Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

            Update. I did try a few more things.
            When opening prior copies, I found the for the past 4 days, the table in question was not available in the operation genie for append.
            I did find a copy 4 days old. It did show the table in question.
            I did delete the present table and copy the good table from the location founded. Pack Db, restart and did not work.
            I have tried few other options, Not working yet.
            I did find that there are 4 more tables not available in the append genie.

            There is one work around.

            Instead of using the genie. (Which I think is the culprit.)

            In Operation tab, Select append and go to create.
            in the transaction table option, select MORE FILES instead of the folder icon.(the folder icon do not display the missing tables)
            When selecting MORE FILES, then navigate to your present folder and select the DBF file you want(they all are there). It works.

            Hope Alpha is monitoring these threads.
            Hope there is fix.
            Hope the autoemails upon posting are restored.
            Hope, Hope....

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              #7
              Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

              missing tables in the genies
              When there are a lot of tables (actually a pretty low number) or sometimes after creating a new table, the genies will many (most) times not list all of them....and you have to click on the "more tables" choice and navigate to your database and choose what is missing. Make certain that this is just not the cause of your issue(s)....it has been present for as long as I have used Alpha---reported a few times but gave up when no response was given (got to pick your fires you need to try and put out and this is not a huge one!).

              There is also a limit in the actual number of tables listed in the dropdown associated with a function that uses "tablename" as an argument where, when right-clicking or use Cntl+Dn arrow, the list stops at about 100 tables (also reported for years)....this is also annoying to me as I deal with QuickBooks a lot which has generally 140+ tables (and in this case there is no "more tables" to choose--just have to know the table name).
              Mike
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              It is only when we forget all our learning that we begin to know.
              It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
              Henry David Thoreau
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                #8
                Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

                Mike, this message board is not the best way to report a bug. Use the Help menu "submit a bug report" option in Alpha Five, and include a sample database with instructions for use so they can easily find and observe the problem. Thanks.

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                  #9
                  Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

                  Mike, last couple of suggestions.
                  1) have you removed V9?
                  2) when you copy or delete a table, as Martin said, you will get the baggage as well. Make sure you remove/delete the correct one. When you open the Append Genie, you won't see all the tables as Alpha cannot determine which one you want as they may have duplicate names. You may see the folder, file name and extension instead.
                  Post what the genie looks like with missing data will ya? Download Jing and annotate the screen shot if you would be so kind.
                  See our Hybrid Option here;
                  https://hybridapps.example-software.com/

                  Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                  You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                    #10
                    Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

                    Thanks Tom.

                    Ted: I have not removed V9. I have applications running V9.

                    There is no other tables or files with the same name in that folder, unless Alpha holds that name somewhere.

                    By the way, I started to delete that table after the problem began.

                    This particular table had no changes or field additions in the past 8 days and a db copy of 4 days ago, shows the table in the genie.
                    I had no abnormal termination or crash of anykind.

                    Question: Is "Packing the Db" the only option to repair the DB?

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                      #11
                      Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

                      Here is a picture of the files.

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                        #12
                        Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

                        Mike,
                        If your entire issue is just with the genie not showing all the tables in the drop-down list then submit as an issue or feature want to Alpha....It is not a bug as I see it. As I mentioned, this issue has been in Alpha a long time.
                        Last edited by MikeC; 03-09-2011, 03:18 PM.
                        Mike
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                        It is only when we forget all our learning that we begin to know.
                        It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
                        Henry David Thoreau
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                          #13
                          Re: Tables disappearing in operation tab

                          Thanks Mike. If this issue is being there, them will wait.
                          I did find the workaround, so I can continue.
                          Thanks to all for the responses.

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