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    Downloading patches

    I note that there have been a number of debates on this topic. I accept that I am relatively new to Alpha, and I also know that I have created a powerful CRM application with Alpha - which I could not have done otherwise.

    However, I believe there are two main categories of Alpha user: (a) the professionals who market their Alpha/programming expertise, and (b) those of us who use Alpha solely to run our own business's. We continue to learn whilst enhancing our applications on a daily basis - often with great help from this message board.

    If you think about it, we, the latter category, are usually the first to experience the trauma of the faulty patch problems, i.e. the problems manifest themselves immediately in our live applications within our business's. Whereas the professionals don't generally experience the problems for a week or so. This is regularly evident from this message board, i.e. when a newbie suffers from a patch bug, its generally several days before the Alphaholics accept the bug.

    Meanwhile, us poor newbie's are not looking for bugs, we are generally blaming our own inexperience for the issues. I sometimes spend days looking for problems in my application - only to eventually find out that it was an Alpha problem. Unfortunately, these bugs and Alpha 5's general instability obviously cause major headaches to a business. I accept that some instability may be partly down to Vista, or in my case, partly because I wasn't running the latest MS updates on all my PC's. I believe there are STILL conflicts between Alpha and read/write permissions to virtual memory etc - which often cause the 'frozen' screens, that are slowly becoming more prevalent in the Alpha world.

    In summary, my conclusion is NOT to download future patches until they have been 'beta-tested' by the Alphaholics. I shall in future leave them alone for two to three weeks, whilst keeping a close eye on this message board in the meantime. If you are new to Alpha, I suggest you save yourself a lot of time and trouble and do the same thing.
    Larry Gordon

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    Re: Downloading patches

    As many on the board have said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!".

    It's always been advised by all the more experienced users of any program, that if you do not have a problem, don't just change to a new release. Test 1st before using it.

    If you have a problem, try the new release, but don't expect their not to be other problems. Testing is always important.

    The reason the more experienced Alpha users report fewer bugs is that they tend to use tried & tested techniques, better coding, as well as lower level functions and code, that to be less affected between releases. Proper dimensioning of variables, naming conventions etc all tend to mitigate problems that newer users see sooner.

    I suggest that you do download the releases, but test it 1st. If it doesn't work, move to the earlier release. This is normally very easy to do by just running an earlier release patch.
    Regards,

    Ira J. Perlow
    Computer Systems Design


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      #3
      Re: Downloading patches

      Ira,

      I am always reluctant to try new builds because I am never certain of how reliable the roll back is if the build is not satisfactory in fact I am still using an October build.

      In your experience when experimenting with the various builds can we simply overwrite the builds with any patches either backward or forwards and does the overwrite create the same original state of the patch. What happens if new files have been introduced in patch.

      Thanks
      Michael

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        #4
        Re: Downloading patches

        Hi Michael,

        Originally posted by Michael Humby View Post
        I am always reluctant to try new builds because I am never certain of how reliable the roll back is if the build is not satisfactory in fact I am still using an October build.

        In your experience when experimenting with the various builds can we simply overwrite the builds with any patches either backward or forwards and does the overwrite create the same original state of the patch. What happens if new files have been introduced in patch.
        As far as I know, running the older patch will restore all the key files back to that patch level.

        The exception might be if Alpha added or changed a file that was not added or changed in the earlier version. I suspect that is not the case, as all key files in Alpha tend to change in every version, but soime supporting files may not. Some of the things that may not go back are added DLLs and similar (which should not matter), particularly if in the SYSTEM or SYSTEM32 directories.

        If not sure or wanting to be extra cautious, I'd suggest backing/zipping up the Alpha 5 exe directory, and restoring it if needed.

        Of course, I don't need to remind you to back up the database before testing, do I?
        Regards,

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          Re: Downloading patches

          Ira,

          Thanks for the input, I just really needed re-assuring even though after patching up and reading the build from Help I have never felt confident that all files were relative to the build.

          Yes I always have a backup, if fact before making changes to any application I always create a reserve.

          Michael

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            #6
            Re: Downloading patches

            Larry, I agree with your comments as I am in the same position as yourself with no time to bugshoot, although things are starting to slow down with the shift in the economy and I may have the time to try new releases.
            Occasionally a problem will show up with your data a week later and in the mean time you have to try and remember what you edited or added during that period. The good thing about having the problems is you go back into your design and get your brain retrained on what you created and wonder how you managed to do it.

            I have stopped uploading releases in the last few months and rolled back to 1847 3216 and watched the message board to see what is happening.

            I would like to try the new releases as there have been some new features added.

            " We continue to learn whilst enhancing our applications on a daily basis - often with great help from this message board."

            Anyway, as you mentioned above, thank you to all who help us out in our design.

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              #7
              Re: Downloading patches

              Hi Larry
              The problem is, whilst the experts advise us not to download all the patches, we are almost forced to. For example, I currently have two threads on the go: (i) problems with deleting records, and (ii) problems importing bitmaps. The Alpha boys have thankfully picked up on these threads and have addressed both issues in todays latest patch - so obviously I must download it.
              In the meantime I'm about to embark on the Web Server trip...
              Good luck and I hope you don't get too much time to go bugchasing!
              Larry Gordon

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