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  • #16
    Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

    Originally posted by G Gabriel View Post
    Are you going to say >=PI?
    OK.. How is alpha to determine if the value in question is more than PI which has an infinite number of decimals?
    Same dilemma, isn't?
    No, actually quite a different scenario than you have been describing.

    All the PI issue is about the approximation that can be done in a finite number of decimals.

    Since there is a finite decimal that is being compared to PI, all that has to be done is to take PI to a further decimal position than the fixed length decimal. Then we know if another number is larger or smaller than PI.

    If it's an infinite decimal length, then either the values resolve as <> somewhere down the line. This would take a numeric structure other than Alpha's but is not too difficult.

    The issue that you have described is best resolved as a communication issue and as others have stated, readability is paramount.

    So which is greater?
    Code:
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    9.99999.... repeating in length to infinity 
    
    or 
    
    10
    Al Buchholz
    Bookwood Systems, LTD
    Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

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    Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
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    • #17
      Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

      Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
      Since there is a finite decimal that is being compared to PI, all that has to be done is to take PI to a further decimal position than the fixed length decimal.
      Al:
      You just made my point! Somewhere somehow you have to turn the infinite to finite (by way of approximation) and if you do so then you know what is the increment. It is simply that number of decimal you chose.
      Originally posted by Al
      So which is greater?
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      9.99999.... repeating in length to infinity

      or

      10[/CODE]
      Who said anything about repeating anything to infinity?!
      Wasn't me. As I stated before, there is no room for infinite number in any software application, none.
      So, when it's all said and done, you are dealing with a fixed number of decimals, a number of your choosing and hence you know what is the increment.
      And what's with the end users? They don't write the expression, do they?
      Last edited by G Gabriel; 10-18-2009, 04:52 PM.

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      • #18
        Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

        I'm sure this is an important argument, don't mean to take away from it, but from a different perspective that works for me:

        A successful business career depends on knowing what to take for granted.

        But I guess I should add:

        A successful marriage depends on knowing what not to take for granted.



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        • #19
          Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

          regZ in florida requires you to take payment calcs to 6 decimals, but 8 is acceptible. 10 is not acceptible, but have never found where it is any different when rounded back to 6 or 8. That is not in the book, but if you call the banking and Finance commission, they will straighten you right out. It only takes calling 10 times a day for about 10 days to get the right person who will tell you that maybe.

          You also have The Fith Third Bank of Kentucky that can not be satisfied becausetheir accountants and lawyers wrote their own. Now, i don't know if it really complies with the fereral or kentucky regz, but they cash the contracts and the software companies have the numeric code they wrote to back up the legality of the tool.

          What does anything really mean???
          Dave Mason
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          • #20
            Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

            This all ties into Global Warming.
            -
            If our code is inefficient we use more clock cycles of the CPU,
            Creating more clockcycles, creates more heat, and that heat requires cooling.
            Both that extra heat and cooling requires electricity, which in turn is probably made from fossil fuels. As we all know thanks to Al Gore, using Fossil fuels create CO and other greenhouse gases.

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            • #21
              Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

              Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
              Code:
                    _
              9.99999.... repeating in length to infinity 
              
              or 
              
              10
              Nobody's bit yet.......
              Al Buchholz
              Bookwood Systems, LTD
              Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

              Occam's Razor - KISS
              Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
              Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
              When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.

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              • #22
                Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                I didn't know this little trivia had so many social and political ramifications!
                In my little way of thinking and my meager ability to reason, I figured if something is "more than or equal to" something else then it is simply more than the thing that is one notch less than the thing it is supposed to be equal to.
                And that's all folks.
                Not a rocket science, but I bet rocket scientists are using "more than or equal to" and therefore, once again, it is not rocket science.

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                • #23
                  Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                  Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
                  Nobody's bit yet.......
                  Al:
                  What are you talking about?

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                  • #24
                    Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                    Al, if it is correct, it cannot be because it can't reah either a .----9 or a 10. It is an infinnity type math problem. Anything else is a compromise.
                    Dave Mason
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                    Skype is dave.mason46

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                    • #25
                      Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                      Originally posted by DaveM View Post
                      Al, if it is correct, it cannot be because it can't reah either a .----9 or a 10. It is an infinnity type math problem. Anything else is a compromise.
                      kinda...

                      What is shown is one value represented 2 different ways.

                      One is very easy to see, the other quite camouflaged.

                      So one needs to careful in how interpretations are done. It's those little things that are overlooked that cause the issues..

                      so KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid - (as I remind myself every day...)
                      Al Buchholz
                      Bookwood Systems, LTD
                      Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                      Occam's Razor - KISS
                      Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                      Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                      When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.

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                      • #26
                        Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                        Using mathematical "limits", they are the same.
                        Mike
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                        It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
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                        • #27
                          Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                          Al, this one (problem) staggered me a few years back.
                          Qu.
                          Between zero and infinity, what percetage of all the decimal number have a digit 8 in them?

                          a.) 8%
                          b.) 12.5%
                          c.) 80%
                          d.) 100%

                          Note: the Numeral 123456789, has an 8.
                          But: 1234567654321 does not.

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                          • #28
                            Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                            Without doing any stats with this, if one of the multiple choices is the correct answer then by a simple process of elimination the answer would be b.) 12.5%

                            If not then I guess my thinking is a bit skewed somehow. Cannot be 8% as at least 1 in every 10 numbers is an 8 (10%). Cannot be 100% obviously. 80% just seems was too high when looking at the numbers that would have an 8...
                            Last edited by MikeC; 10-19-2009, 08:35 PM.
                            Mike
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                            It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
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                            • #29
                              Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                              Originally posted by MikeC View Post
                              Using mathematical "limits", they are the same.
                              Not quite....

                              Limits means that as you stretch out to infinity, the value will approach but never reach the limit.

                              That's like the curve approaching a value but not reaching it.
                              _
                              In this case, the value of 9.9999... (repeating 9's to a length of infinity) is exactly 10.

                              (sure is hard to get that overhead line to appear in the proper place.... )
                              Last edited by Al Buchholz; 10-19-2009, 09:11 PM.
                              Al Buchholz
                              Bookwood Systems, LTD
                              Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                              Occam's Razor - KISS
                              Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                              Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                              When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.

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                              • #30
                                Re: &gt;= Nano Trivia &lt;= , or is it?

                                Originally posted by MikeC View Post
                                Without doing any stats with this, if one of the multiple choices is the correct answer then by a simple process of elimination the answer would be b.) 12.5%

                                If not then I guess my thinking is a bit skewed somehow. Cannot be 8% as at least 1 in every 10 numbers is an 8 (10%). Cannot be 100% obviously. 80% just seems was too high when looking at the numbers that would have an 8...
                                gotta love multiple choice...
                                Al Buchholz
                                Bookwood Systems, LTD
                                Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                                Occam's Razor - KISS
                                Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                                Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                                When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.

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