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    Failure to Update System Registry

    Following installation of Windows 2000 Professional under Fat32, the following message appeared upon starting A5V4 application for a Restricted User..."Failed to update the System Registry. Please try using REGEDIT". The message does not appear for Power Users. Can you help? Thanks.

    RE: Failure to Update System Registry


    What is the difference between "Restricted User" & "Power Users"

    Does it have something to do with the rights that you assign users in your application?


      RE: Failure to Update System Registry

      Ed, Alpha Five uses the registry to store information about the local user's system, the recent file list, settings, and other things. Under Windows 2000 when a work station is configured as a 'restricted user' is it possible to also adjust the security settings to permit updates to the registry?

      -- tom


        RE: Failure to Update System Registry

        Tom & Doug:
        Being my 1st exposure to W2000 Pro & A5, I wasn't sure whether this was a message generated by A5 or W2000 (looks now like W2000). Assigning users as Power Users lets them do things we don't want (installing sw, etc.). I had searched the board for info on the subject. Message #33541 pointed to the same problem (had to assign Power User rights). Could find nothing further on the board.

        At this point, I'm not aware of any means to adjust security settings to permit registry updates under Fat 32. I was hoping that someone who had the same situation would be able to help, since this appears to happen only with A5.


          RE: Failure to Update System Registry

          Ed, my guess is that it will happen with any software that writes information to the Windows registry.

          -- tom


            RE: Failure to Update System Registry

            Yes, this is a windows generated message. What is happening is A5 tries to register specific file types in the system registry (.ADB for example) and if the user is not a Power User or Adminsitrator, they do not have access to the associations area of the registry. Ultimately, there is nothing to worry about here, A5 will run just wont be able to click on an ADB file and have A5 start up. I believe this message will no longer show up in A5V5, as Cian and I did some looking into this.

            This message will show up on any machine that is NT based (NT/2000).

            -- Aaron
            Aaron Brown
            Alpha Software Development Team


              RE: Failure to Update System Registry

              The filesystem type doesn't have anything to do with this particular security setting (NTFS or FAT16/32), nor would you want to allow such access to the registry to a restricted user. It is the fact that the user cannot update the registry the prevents a restricted user from installing software.

              On a side note, is there are reason why you have not converted to NTFS? It is a much more secure, reliable (it has journaling capabilities), and faster filesystem. The only real reason to keep FAT32 is if you are dual booting.

              My 2 cents.

              -- Aaron
              Aaron Brown
              Alpha Software Development Team


                RE: Failure to Update System Registry


                Many thanks for clearing up the message issue. I'm now comfortable going ahead and setting up Restricted Users, recognizing that I need to merely accept the message and move on.

                On the issue of FAT32 vs. NTFS, when the system was purchased with W2000 Pro, Dell installed with FAT32. I searched the board for anything on W2000 and found a message Geoffrey Hollander posted back in September (Msg# 26057). Following is an excerpt from that message...

                "I found it to be more stable and, overall, a stronger, better system that W98, but there are some things I discovered during my 9 or 10 installs. First, stay with the FAT 32 file system. It's faster and easier -- not to mention safer if you have OS problems; because you can boot to a floppy and still get your data back (unless, of course the disk is trashed). Keep in mind that if you later want to go to the NTFS file system, you can convert, but also keep in mind that once converted, the process cannot be reversed. The NTFS system is best used when high secuity and/or file compression is needed."

                Your 2 cents is welcomed and appreciated. We'll take a fresh look at converting to NTFS.

                I echo the sentiments of many folks on the message board, namely that the participation and sharing on this board, coupled with the marvelous Alpha development team, is what sets Alpha apart from Access.

                I truly appreciate your explanation and help on this issue.



                  RE: Failure to Update System Registry

                  FAT32 is an old, patched file system that started back in the days of DOS. NTFS is actually many times more stable. In fact, very few would suggest otherwise -- should the system be shutdown unexpectedly, transaction tables are kept so that recovery of data is possible. That is, each file transaction is logged as it happens (before the writes are physically made to disk). This is known as a journaling file system. NTFS performance is also significantly better, as writes to disk are only done when the system "has time" to do them (much like UNIX has done for years). The transaction tables, however, are still maintained in real-time. In the event of a crash, NT drops to the "Blue Screen of Death" which does a memory dump, so the transactions are recoverable.

                  It is true that it is easier to deal with if you have OS problems, because you can boot with a DOS floppy and get access to your data. HOWEVER...NTFS IS REVERSIBLE. For about $50 you can purchase Partition Magic which will convert from NTFS to FAT32.

                  Also, NTFS is preferred when ANY security is required. FAT32 only provides share level security (which is EASILY compromised as share level passwords are often transmitted over the network as plain text).

                  The only reason I would stick to FAT32 is if you have a need to dual boot between a non-NTFS OS.

                  -- Aaron Brown
                  Aaron Brown
                  Alpha Software Development Team