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  • New Challenge

    There are Nine Fields each 1 c. There are two buttons if you press one of them it will put a random Constanant letter into the first empty field press it again and the next field gets filled. Press the second button and this would put in a Vowel into the next empty field. The two buttons can be pressed in any order. This is done till all Nine fields are filled. Press a third button to get the Alpha brain to kick into action. Now you have 30 seconds to find the longest proper word in the english dictionary. Humans can do it can Alpha? Because the letters are so random it may be that the logest word that can be found is only five or six letters.

    Any takers?

    Keith Hubert
    London.
    Regards
    Keith Hubert
    Alpha Guild Member
    London.
    KHDB Management Systems
    Skype = keith.hubert


    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

  • #2
    RE: New Challenge

    I take it you can rearange the nine letters to form the longest word combination. Would you also want to know the number of longest words. That is say you can have 15 words each 6 letters.

    bob sullivan

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    • #3
      RE: New Challenge

      Hi Robert

      Yes all the letters can be aranged to make best use of them. It is better to get one seven letter word than any number of six letters as only one word actually scores. This is a little bit like Scrabble, but without the board and against the clock.

      Keith Hubert
      London.
      Regards
      Keith Hubert
      Alpha Guild Member
      London.
      KHDB Management Systems
      Skype = keith.hubert


      For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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      • #4
        RE: New Challenge

        Alpha can't do it, but people can't either. You wouldn't be able to recognize a word that you don't know. You may think the longest word in

        absyzygyo

        is "bays" or "gabs" or "bags" or "soya" or "bogs" but that would only mean that you didn't recognize "syzygy".

        There are 362,880 possible permutations of 9 letters, each of which would have to be checked against a dictionary. Then there are also the same number of distinct 8-letter words, somewhat fewer 7-letter, etc. Each one would have to be checked against a comprehensive dictionary.
        - Peter

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        • #5
          RE: New Challenge

          >>

          I suppose that's possible...by the way, what language is this, anyway? I think I injured myself trying to pronounce it.

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          • #6
            RE: New Challenge

            Hi All

            Yes Peter is correct the mixed up letters would have to checked against a dictionary, but as the words from a dictionary can be sorted into size order the the number to to match should be reduced.

            Here are nine letters that make an every day word.

            U Y C I B T I P L a human can get this. Even you Steve. Isn't there a spell checker in the new version that could be used?

            Keith Hubert
            London.
            Regards
            Keith Hubert
            Alpha Guild Member
            London.
            KHDB Management Systems
            Skype = keith.hubert


            For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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            • #7
              RE: New Challenge

              You would have to clarify any answers as "based on" a certain dictionary or spell checker. The biggest problem is not the root words i.e. "plenty" but their derivitives i.e. "plentiful" which may not be directly listed.

              While this might be like scrabble (I cheat at scrabble and I am a chemist so therefore I can't spell-thus symbols and formulas) this is posible only to a point.

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              • #8
                RE: New Challenge

                Hi Robert

                This is a simple case of sorting some mixed up letters to find the largest matching proper word in the dictionary that is on the computer. Not sounds like or the root of. I gave the example of nine letters that make an every day word. The clue is, this is something that Alpha wants a lot of. U Y C I B I T L P

                Keith Hubert
                London.
                Regards
                Keith Hubert
                Alpha Guild Member
                London.
                KHDB Management Systems
                Skype = keith.hubert


                For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                • #9
                  RE: New Challenge

                  oh, why not.

                  I like publicity, too :P

                  Tom Lyon

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                  • #10
                    RE: New Challenge

                    Well done Tom. Give the man a Coconut!!

                    I knew a human could do it. Now can we make Alpha do it?

                    Keith Hubert
                    London.
                    Regards
                    Keith Hubert
                    Alpha Guild Member
                    London.
                    KHDB Management Systems
                    Skype = keith.hubert


                    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                    • #11
                      RE: New Challenge

                      hmmm

                      One could search through a database to find all words commonly used in it. That would be a short list. If I had an idea of what you wanted to do, I might be able to brain-storm. I've seen A5 do some things it wasn't capable of doing. I see no reason why this should be unattainable just from a technical standpoint. I mean, Steve Dentler blew my mind with how he solved my recent problem by linking a table to itself. Creativity can solve more problems than a database could ever imagine :)

                      Tom Lyon

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                      • #12
                        RE: New Challenge

                        >>

                        To tell the truth, Keith, it's just too difficult to think about this problem....without having a billing address!

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                        • #13
                          RE: New Challenge

                          Keith,

                          Using your "UYCIBITLP" as an example, I think (No, I'm not checking) that this script will provide all possible groupings of "Words." To complete the challenge, you'll need to come over and type all the words in your Funk & Wagnall into a table that I can test against. Please bring your own lunch and not to worry, the dog will only attack if you move.


                          a="uycibitlp"
                          for j = 1 to 9
                          for i = 1 to 9
                          x=substr(a,i,j)
                          y = strtran(a,x,"",1,1)
                          b = x+y
                          for k = 1 to 9
                          possible_word = substr(b,1,k)
                          trace.writeln(possible_word)
                          next
                          next
                          next

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                          • #14
                            RE: New Challenge

                            Hi Steve

                            I love puppy dogs. I eat them for Lunch. This was a good try but the script just repeats the same nine letter combination starting with the next letter nine times over. So the correct answer was not found. The total number of word combinations of nine letters is 9^9=362880. The correct word would be in there.

                            Keith Hubert
                            London.
                            Regards
                            Keith Hubert
                            Alpha Guild Member
                            London.
                            KHDB Management Systems
                            Skype = keith.hubert


                            For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                            • #15
                              RE: New Challenge

                              I know, I know. It was a miserable failure. I'm enclosing a full refund.

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