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  • Web vs. mobile

    This is insightful I think:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmo...ve-journalism/
    Peter
    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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    https://www.alphabasesolutions.com



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    Re: Web vs. mobile

    The author sounds fishy to me!
    Last edited by TPeterson; 12-03-2012, 08:44 PM.

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    • #3
      Re: Web vs. mobile

      Interesting. I was shocked to learn that when I started my browser on my Android phone and went to a web site I wasn't being shown the same web site as when I went to the same site using my laptop. I thought then that the "website" was the "website". I learned later that when using the default browser on my phone I was reporting to the website that I was on a "Mobile" device and my content was modified. I thought maybe it was a simple reformatting at first. But no, "Mobile" content is not merely a simple reformat. It is modified, scrubbed, to fit what someone has decided is appropriate for a mobile device. Now, it is possible that a content provider could make sure all the same content goes to the mobile device. But in most cases the content is not the same, but a sub-set, selected for mobile consumption. I got around this by learning how to tell the website to give me the "full" site and using a browser that supports the full website and re-formats it to better fit the small screen. This reminds me of the days when AOL and GEnie would give you a sub-set of the internet in a portal.

      Should TWO applications be developed? One for the web and one for mobile devices? Or can we just develop web apps that can be formatted on the fly to fit any screen? Why do Apple, Google, and MS want this special "app" that only works on their device? It's obvious. People won't pay for a website the way they will pay for an "app". There has to be a compelling reason to buy an "app". It has to give you some value not already incorporated into the website, or desktop, or book, etc.

      Sean

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        Re: Web vs. mobile

        Yes, well, the main issue I think is, that we simply never seem to understand how quickly things fall off the cliff. Every time some exciting new piece of hardware is launched, people tumble over in their sudden attack of creativeness to make it do what it is not especially equipped for to do. With in the end as a result disappointment, abandoning ship and massive losses. We really should "imagine" things just a little bit less, and reason objectively about them a little bit more!

        The tablet is not the answer to all of our problems. Come on guys really. Did one of you ever hold such a device? It's obviously in the same ballpark as the smartphone still we want it to behave like a desktop. It won't happen. And if you can really make it happen, users will abandon it with disappointment soon afterwards. Because it will be quirky to use. Inefficient and difficult to enter data. Time costly to swipe across all of your screens. And after a few minutes of swiping your user will already have forgotten what it exactly was he was swiping for in the first place.

        The tablet is an excellent device. But it has its native domain. Let's keep it where it belongs. Small sidesteps the user can live with. But if we want to make it a desktop the user will in the end bite us in the rear for it. Rightfully so.

        This by the way does not take anything away from the magnificent UX builder that will enhance the options of the Alpha Five product. It surely will be adding to what we, Alpha Developers, can do. The question is, how near the cliff will we go with it?
        Last edited by mronck; 12-04-2012, 06:21 AM.

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          Re: Web vs. mobile

          Originally posted by mronck View Post
          Yes, well, the main issue I think is, that we simply never seem to understand how quickly things fall off the cliff. Every time some exciting new piece of hardware is launched, people tumble over in their sudden attack of creativeness to make it do what it is not especially equipped for to do. With in the end as a result disappointment, abandoning ship and massive losses. We really should "imagine" things just a little bit less, and reason objectively about them a little bit more!

          The tablet is not the answer to all of our problems. Come on guys really. Did one of you ever hold such a device? It's obviously in the same ballpark as the smartphone still we want it to behave like a desktop. It won't happen. And if you can really make it happen, users will abandon it with disappointment soon afterwards. Because it will be quirky to use. Inefficient and difficult to enter data. Time costly to swipe across all of your screens. And after a few minutes of swiping your user will already have forgotten what it exactly was he was swiping for in the first place.

          The tablet is an excellent device. But it has its native domain. Let's keep it where it belongs. Small sidesteps the user can live with. But if we want to make it a desktop the user will in the end bite us in the rear for it. Rightfully so.

          This by the way does not take anything away from the magnificent UX builder that will enhance the options of the Alpha Five product. It surely will be adding to what we, Alpha Developers, can do. The question is, how near the cliff will we go with it?
          a fence and brakes in good time with your car is also wise

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            Re: Web vs. mobile

            Originally posted by bea2701 View Post
            a fence and brakes in good time with your car is also wise
            Fences are great. It would have helped this poor journalist trying out a new Yamaha motorcycle:

            Videoclip

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              Re: Web vs. mobile

              From other tools I use, I have to make, basically 2 sites. One for web and one for the iphone. This is not a data intensive website, just a plain old web site. When the idea of the iphone came across, they announced it to us users and you should have heard the guff when everybody found out about the 2 sites. I fortunately had already heard from others that it would be that way.
              Dave Mason
              [email protected]
              Skype is dave.mason46

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              • #8
                Re: Web vs. mobile

                Absolutely no need for two sites.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design
                Cheers!
                Lyle Chamney
                http://www.2ninerniner2.com/
                Websites rebuilt with WordPress
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                Complete, ready to install WordPress websites
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                • #9
                  Re: Web vs. mobile

                  As some know I have been working with the Instant Developer product. In a blog post today they had a link to this article posted on ReadWrite. com discussing using iPads in the office. I thought it was kind of interesting considering some the discussions on the forum recently.

                  Quoting from the article

                  "The Forrester report summed up the current state of the enterprise tablet:
                  Users want to accomplish work primarily through their PCs - where they can consume, collaborate, and create. But they also recognize that during certain times, in certain locations, or when mobile they prefer to use nonstandard form factors, including tablets - where they can consume and collaborate, but not create."


                  I thought it might be an interesting addition to the conversation. Here is the link to the full article. http://readwrite.com/2012/04/26/ipad...eally-good-for

                  It might be useful information to keep in mind for those designing mobile apps... then again maybe not :)
                  Regards,

                  John W.
                  www.CustomReportWriters.net

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                    Re: Web vs. mobile

                    That seems to sum it all up John. I agree with the quote from that Forrester article.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Web vs. mobile

                      Lyle,

                      Landing on a different url means a different page. Maybe I said it wrong when I said 2 sites. It is better for me to say, different pages within a site.

                      It seems from the article, others I have read and a little practical experience that you can make a fluid css3 site that may or may not work. I already knew that. It is a pain to do and you have to build the site and then work on the fluidity. Most graphics used may not be so fluid and take a tremendous amount of time to download depending on users browser.

                      I am working on a site similar and have chosen to detect the browser(if I ever figure it out), and pick the appropriate page(url) for that type browser. That means to basically rewrite the site for the number of pages needed.

                      Anyone having better ideas? I am all ears to learn better!
                      Dave Mason
                      [email protected]
                      Skype is dave.mason46

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                      • #12
                        Re: Web vs. mobile

                        Dave,

                        I work in Joomla! and WordPress exclusively for any web sites that I build. A couple products that are available which create the required "responsive" templates/themes for these CMSs are Artisteer and TemplateToaster.
                        Cheers!
                        Lyle Chamney
                        http://www.2ninerniner2.com/
                        Websites rebuilt with WordPress
                        http://goodcheapfastwebsites.com/
                        Complete, ready to install WordPress websites
                        http://snifflevalve.com
                        WordPress training and tutorials

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                        • #13
                          Re: Web vs. mobile

                          Thanks Lyle,

                          I will look at them. I should take another look at WordPress. I am currently using/learning PHP and css with some other stuff. Heck, I still need help with html LOL. Sure spent some money on books I needed. now Gotta learn to read.
                          Dave Mason
                          [email protected]
                          Skype is dave.mason46

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                          • #14
                            Re: Web vs. mobile

                            Here is interesting stats desktop(web) vs mobile.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Web vs. mobile

                              Although I can't see at what figures I am exactly looking, this does not by a long shot look as dramatic as some think.

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