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  • Web program to desktop program

    I'm not sure where to post this so General Questions seems to be the best approach.
    Several years ago I wrote a Scheduling program in Clipper for a Boat Tour company. After 10 years of minor changes they decided it was time for an upgrade and, at the time, I figured Alpha was the best approach. I started with V10.5, upgraded to V11, and I had the (web) program almost completed. The last few bugs (at least I thought) were due to some bugs in V11. At that point the client was looking at about $3500 for development and about $500 for a server pkg. Then I upgraded to V12... Oops, the client was now looking at costs of $100/mo forever and decided to just continue with my original program until I could come up with a better idea.
    Recently they approached me again. They decided that they didn't really care about web access and asked me if I could just develop it as a desktop program to run on their internal network.
    Now I know that Alpha (and many of you) would say sure, that is quite possible but I am actually at a loss on how to go about this without starting over. Desktop seems SO different! I'm aware that the first thing I have to do is remove security but what other gotcha's should I be looking for in downgrading from a web program to a desktop version?
    I expect that not many of you have gone this route but I would appreciate any suggestions you might have.
    Thanks
    Garry

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    Re: Web program to desktop program

    I am considering creating a desktop version of a tabbedUI I created to run my grids and UX's so I would be interestedin hearing the pitfalls and advice given by anyone willing to contribute.
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      Re: Web program to desktop program

      First off: Moving to desk top is not "downgrading" and it has it's own pitfalls.
      It is a completely different environment though.

      Some questions to ask are:
      Is this to be used solely inhouse?
      Do they have a lan to run it on? or is it just one user?
      Are they prepared to pay you for the work? ( please don't answer this one here-your business)

      The desk top can do almost any functionality the web can do and some of your work may be useable.
      I understand you can bring you database to a local server even if it is a sql type and you can use much of what you have made on the web to be useable on the dt.

      Others can elaborate more on this since the have put UI's and grids on desktop systems.

      I work on desktop when using alpha, not the web side. I can get emails in, parse them, fill tables with that data, do operations on them, bill on them, send fax/emails/pdf's or any other back out from the desktop. If that covers what you need, you should be fine.

      Good Luck.
      Dave Mason
      dave@aldadesktop.com
      Skype is dave.mason46

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      • #4
        Re: Web program to desktop program

        Garry,

        I may be wrong here, but thought you cold pay one time for the web server(1 year ) and only lose the support after that time if you did not pay more. You might check on that.
        Dave Mason
        dave@aldadesktop.com
        Skype is dave.mason46

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        • #5
          Re: Web program to desktop program

          Originally posted by DaveM View Post
          Garry,

          I may be wrong here, but thought you cold pay one time for the web server(1 year ) and only lose the support after that time if you did not pay more. You might check on that.
          Definitely true. You get a year of fixes/upgrades then nothing. I'm in this position at present waiting for something to break and/or alpha to release a new 'must have' feature that persuades me to part with my money!

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            Re: Web program to desktop program

            Take your web app as is, and turn it in to a desktop RUNTIME application*. Here is a video: http://www.screencast.com/t/c9pqRIs6Nc

            * easier said than done, but one possible approach
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            • #7
              Re: Web program to desktop program

              Steve
              I watched your video and it demonstrates part of my problem... I notice that you have several server side entries which seems rather counter intuitive in a desktop program. What server?

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              • #8
                Re: Web program to desktop program

                Yes I know it seems odd to have callback functions that hit the "server". But it is just the Alpha desktop Runtime and there is no web server.
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                  Re: Web program to desktop program

                  When using desktop with runtime. It is very normal that the server will get action.
                  Dave Mason
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