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    #46
    Re: Wiki Update?

    Originally posted by Selwyn Rabins View Post
    what was the function you were looking for?
    Try to find a5_defineAliases -function ( but you do not remember the exact name)

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      #47
      Re: Wiki Update?

      I rarely look for functions, I look for ways of doing things. If I have used a function then I can look in my work.

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        #48
        Re: Wiki Update?

        Originally posted by Selwyn Rabins View Post
        what was the function you were looking for?
        Selwyn, you are trying to help out to save the new system. I am sure lot of people appreciate it. but in truth if alpha has left the old site alone without taking it out and built the new one as an option, I tell you lots of people will appreciate it even better.
        thanks for reading

        gandhi

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          #49
          Re: Wiki Update?

          Originally posted by Selwyn Rabins View Post
          what was the function you were looking for?
          Selwyn,

          It is not just one function. It is the multitude of things that have gone down in the V11 docs due to the images it relies on no longer being on the wiki site.

          For example when viewing the docs for Print Layout Genie one of the images it is looking for to display in the docs is
          Code:
          http://wiki.alphasoftware.com/a5/User_Manual/Images/UG_Print_Layout_Genie.gif.
          The loss of images like this is scattered throughout the documentation so it is no just one function.

          The built in documentation in V11 has been invaluable because I do not have to spend time searching on a web page to find things but with the shut down of the wiki site, images the docs rely on are no longer available.

          All Alpha needs to do is restore the wiki site and remove the redirect to the new online documentation for Alpha Anywhere. Simple, easy and Alpha would keep customers happy.

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            #50
            Re: Wiki Update?

            Fundamentally a company can have only one help resource.
            Steve Wood
            See my profile on IADN

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              #51
              Re: Wiki Update?

              Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
              Fundamentally a company can have only one help resource.
              Hmmm. I guess Microsoft has been doing it wrong forever.

              So you break a product and say "a company can have only one help resource". Well that is just pure bull.

              If they want to have just one help source then off a free patch for V11 that would point its built in docs to the one and only new great help source.

              Can't wait until I can move to another system.

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                #52
                Re: Wiki Update?

                Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                Fundamentally a company can have only one help resource.
                why?
                thanks for reading

                gandhi

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                  #53
                  Re: Wiki Update?

                  One example is - from the main do a search for XDIALOG. It takes a few pages to find that Xdialog is buried in the User Guide under Desktop. When you find the Tutorial - then you are good to go.

                  Since Xbasic is found under Reference, it seems Xdialog ought to be too. But since the new Wiki is geared for the web side, that must be the reason for burying xdialog under Desktop.

                  It also gets a bit confusing to find functions that are Web or Desktop only mixed together. In the legacy wiki, the organization seems better, but then it is a different system.
                  Last edited by MoGrace; 09-12-2016, 01:29 PM.
                  Robin

                  Discernment is not needed in things that differ, but in those things that appear to be the same. - Miles Sanford

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                    #54
                    Re: Wiki Update?

                    OK, I was just thinking about limited company bandwidth to maintain multiple help resources. Agree they could at least take pains to not break something that already works. I do believe that it is not possible for a company to continue to update, massage and enhance multiple help resources. It would be best, imo, if they perfected the new one, just because it IS the new one, and then we could all use that. V11- users would still have the link to the downloaded help, but any weblink should eventually lead to the 'new' one, which needs to be improved as we have all mentioned. Somewhere down the thread I was suggesting building a better index to the exiting (new) Help.
                    Steve Wood
                    See my profile on IADN

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                      #55
                      Re: Wiki Update?

                      Fundamentally a company can have only one help resource.
                      Sorry, I disagree. Alpha is running 2 different "companies" inside. 1 is web and the other is desktop.

                      I, for one, do not get anything from the web side help and sure most of the web side can get confused with the help for desktop.

                      They really should be separate.

                      But that is just my opinion.
                      Dave Mason
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                        #56
                        Re: Wiki Update?

                        Let me clarify. I meant only one place where they maintain the help information, like the syntax, the examples, the images, etc. I like the v11 help much better because it is more robust, easier to use, etc. I wish they would enhance that one instead of creating a new one. Or, generated a new one that was web-based but had similar functionality to the v11 help. Again pointing back to one of my help resources (http://help.iadn.com/ckeditor/) that is all web based but has more similarity to the v11 help (the v11 one being better). Desktop developers could still go to a web-based resource for programming help, or am I wrong on that?
                        Steve Wood
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                          #57
                          Re: Wiki Update?

                          Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                          Agree they could at least take pains to not break something that already works. I do believe that it is not possible for a company to continue to update, massage and enhance multiple help resources.
                          It was already done so there would not be any need to continue to enhance the wiki site that V11 built in documentation depends on.

                          Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                          It would be best, imo, if they perfected the new one, just because it IS the new one, and then we could all use that. V11- users would still have the link to the downloaded help, but any weblink should eventually lead to the 'new' one, which needs to be improved as we have all mentioned. Somewhere down the thread I was suggesting building a better index to the exiting (new) Help.
                          It would take them more work to redirect any weblink from the built in v11 documentation then it would to just restore what the took down.

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                            #58
                            Re: Wiki Update?

                            most of the websites, the ones with mobile also, announce, if they detect mobile presence, with a link for mobile version. if the user does not want to go there they can still be at their website. why not alpha do the same. whenever people land on the legacy help system they can prompt to go to the newer system. there is no need to update the old help system, the energy can be directed to the new one. no updates for version 11 and beyond so the help system too.
                            thanks for reading

                            gandhi

                            version 11 3381 - 4096
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                              #59
                              Re: Wiki Update?

                              I think to a degree we are missing the point. Selwyn asked how he can help, everyone who has had any dealings with Selwyn knows he goes the extra mile to keep Alpha great. So I think a simple wishlist is the best way forward. Alpha has new customers in suits who expect a modern help system these people are paying the bills. All of Alpha focus is on mobile, so those of us who are not 100% mobile need to pay our dues by clarifying the issues that don't seem intuitive in the new system and then maybe as a consession we will get the old system back.

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                                #60
                                Re: Wiki Update?

                                same sentiments I have Michael, see post #49.
                                yes he is trying to help but it will be definitely helpful if we had the old one and new one for anyone interested.
                                thanks for reading

                                gandhi

                                version 11 3381 - 4096
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                                http://www.alphawebprogramming.blogspot.com
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