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    #31
    Re: My grids are so ugly

    first and foremost, please understand i am in version 11, so themes may not jive.
    i took css builder and built css from template, i used mobile than gradient. it wouldn't matter which one.
    i have a grid that i play with.
    i keep the css open and keep the grid open.
    then adjust the css in the css builder and see the result in the grid. tweak it as you need it.
    what is important is the videos that describes the css builder did such a poor job it is the least favorite portion of alpha five. but believe me working with css in alpha is lot easier than any one can think. the css builder is fantastic, just visual all the time so immediate to see the result. the work that gone into it is not justified by the presentation of it. if you ask me.
    if you like, i can show a screencast of how to do it and you can take it from there.
    thanks for reading

    gandhi

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      #32
      Re: My grids are so ugly

      Amit

      I can get the style sheet published on AlphaSnip to download.(I will post again when it is done)

      This is just a training exercise so some Alpha Components are not changed from the base stylesheet.

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        #33
        Re: My grids are so ugly

        I have a grid here. This may be of interest.


        http://www.datadrivensystems.co.uk/alphasnip/

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          #34
          Re: My grids are so ugly

          Thanks Michael! I like the alphasnip styles!(more modern). You seem to be a CSS expert. Is it possible for you to take a look at
          https://blackrockdigital.github.io/s...ges/index.html and see if this can be added under alphasnip/alpha anywhere(or similar like this).
          Above one is modern bootstrap responsive css(if you reduce screen width it resizes beutifully!-I noticed alphasnip css does align well too)I asked this to alpha support as well but not sure if they can add it or not.
          I also have one question around how to add my own custom css like warranty css and folder steps mentioned on http://www.datadrivensystems.co.uk/a...?project=45881.
          I was able to see warranty css in my alpha control in local after following steps but when I added my own folder it does not show up(testcss folder and sample css)
          Last edited by amitloh; 04-12-2017, 07:33 AM.

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            #35
            Re: My grids are so ugly

            Ha, interesting timing. I just had my site (www.iadn.com) reviewed by a marketing expert and one of her comments was "your grids could be more attractive" by which she means they are ugly (out of date, inconsistent with the rest of the modern website, etc.). I like the designs at AlphaSnip, but I always do things on my own so I have a model I would like to mimic and will work up the css. Mostly, with Alpha grids, it is a matter of removing too much UI to make the grids 'cleaner'.

            I have a little Bootstrap on that website as well, so it is a combination of Alpha Anywhere, my own Framework, Bootstrap CSS, the responsive grid layout at http://996grid.com (which I may replace with Bootstrap some day), the responsive navigation at http://slicknav.com, and a few media query CSS stuff to hide/show/minimize elements when showing in a smaller device, mobile, etc.
            Steve Wood
            See my profile on IADN

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              #36
              Re: My grids are so ugly

              "I have a little Bootstrap on that website as well, so it is a combination of Alpha Anywhere, my own Framework, Bootstrap CSS, the responsive grid layout at http://996grid.com (which I may replace with Bootstrap some day), the responsive navigation at http://slicknav.com, and a few media query CSS stuff to hide/show/minimize elements when showing in a smaller device, mobile, etc."

              It should not be this difficult!!! One of the main advantages for me in using a developer tool is to remove the burden of everyday stuff that already has a solution so that I can focus on my business specific application and coding the things that need my direct attention. Just my opinion, but I think this is essential going forward and goes far beyond the Alpha theme.

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                #37
                Re: My grids are so ugly

                Originally posted by scrimej View Post
                ...
                It should not be this difficult!!! One of the main advantages for me in using a developer tool is to remove the burden of everyday stuff that already has a solution so that I can focus on my business specific application and coding the things that need my direct attention. Just my opinion, but I think this is essential going forward and goes far beyond the Alpha theme.
                Yup. I agree 100%. We want this stuff out of the box. Some of us are not artists. Steve is right that the Alpha grids have "too much UI". Michael Cornford's styles are most excellent.
                Peter
                AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                  #38
                  Re: My grids are so ugly

                  I'm not sure I understand. You want how many variations of css themes built into Alpha? It's not enough that Alpha lets you roll your own... that you're not stopped from doing anything you want to a grid?

                  If Alpha put 50 new themes into the Grid and let you tweak every aspect... it wouldn't be enough for 2 developers who'd go on about not having enough choices.

                  Build your own, use bootstrap, or any of the other 100 tools out there to help out... that's why Alpha is so great... it let's you do that.

                  You shouldn't be using grid in an app designed for mobile device... it's not meant for that. You're shoe-horning a component into a use case and then complaining when it doesn't fit. There are so many Alpha tools specifically developed for mobile use.

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                    #39
                    Re: My grids are so ugly

                    Personally, I'm with David - Alpha software might have room for growth but as is right out of the box you can tweak it to about whatever you want!
                    NWCOPRO: Nuisance Wildlife Control Software My Application: http://www.nwcopro.com "Without forgetting, we would have no memory at all...now what was I saying?"

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                      #40
                      Re: My grids are so ugly

                      Charles has said it perfectly.

                      There are 1500+ lines in a CSS style sheet. With the sass options, you can tweak the colour and a couple of other options.

                      To build a "new" style sheet is a massive undertaking. Changing the grid or building fresh lists is relatively easy.

                      Having said that in a company of 7 only 2 people can balance colour, style and CSS.

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                        #41
                        Re: My grids are so ugly

                        We need it out of the box, period. Tweakers can always tweak to their hearts content.
                        Peter
                        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                        https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                          #42
                          Re: My grids are so ugly

                          You need "what" out of the box? From what I'm reading in this post a handful of users want Alpha to guess what they want and magically deliver it. No matter what style they want... they get it. No matter how they want the grid configured... there is it. User # 1 is working with xyz framework... the grid should support it out of the box. User # 100 is working with the 100th different framework... absolutely... the grid should support it.

                          The grid, which it not designed for, nor marketed as, mobile... should support any mobile device, environment, setting?

                          Is this "out of the box"?

                          C'mon guys... you know fully what the grid was built for. You want it do to something different... but you're not willing to put in the time to get it there? Even though you have full control over the grid, you don't want to be bothered?

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                            #43
                            Re: My grids are so ugly

                            "We need it out of the box, period. Tweakers can always tweak to their hearts content." Agreed!

                            David, I'm not sure about others but I'm not talking about specifics of a better grid and furthermore not a "mobile" grid. I am stating that the overall professional look and feel of an Alpha web application could be easier to implement and involve less tweaking than currently is needed. What little mobile I've done seems to be fine as that is the latest and greatest implementation of Alpha and a lot of effort was put into that area.

                            For me specifically, I am asking to not forget about web applications that run in a desktop browser and not letting those become a thing of the past. Particularly, I feel some effort could be made to enhance the look in combination with the ease of implementation in this one particular area (web applications not mobile applications). I am somewhat new to Alpha and so I don't have the experience others do with the product, but it seems as if they had tremendous success in the desktop market, started to branch out into the web application market and along the way saw that mobile was becoming more popular by the day. This shifted their focus somewhat immediately as it should have.

                            Underneath the hood, there is some common technologies (html, css, javascript, etc) between web and mobile. However, on the surface the requirements for a web application vs a mobile application in terms of appearance and to a degree functionality are very different. For my use, Alpha is first and foremost a web application builder. As time passes, I see the shift from web to mobile become much greater and so I am excited to see that Alpha has already taken that leap.

                            If I were to ask you to point me to a full featured sample web application with source code, documentation, and best case scenarios would you be able to? I've looked over and over to find something like this and have yet to stumble upon it. I wouldn't have to ask you the same for a mobile application because there is at least a 1/2 dozen or more examples that I can easily find and use as a basis to build my own mobile application. They are complete full featured mobile applications that look great and demo functions that I see to be very relevant to that type of application. Beyond their immediate use, they are great learning tools on recommended ways to accomplish tasks that are repeated over and over in the development of a mobile application.

                            However, I haven't had any luck finding a sample web application that gives me a good starting point for a web application (please don't point me to the flying start genie or tabbedUI here) that goes into any depth as to how to produce a complete and professional looking web application without tons of customization and tweaks. I don't have the luxury of writing a single web application and spending all my time in that singe application. I develop many web applications and spend a lot of time repeating aspects of development in each product that I feel could very easily be abstracted into the framework and in turn give me more time to focus on the specifics of what my app does, not how it does it or how it looks.

                            I hope that clarifies my thoughts on the matter.

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                              #44
                              Re: My grids are so ugly

                              This discussion motivates me to work on a couple new style sheets focused on the Grid, with matching UX style. Everyone knows I sell an Alpha Web App Framework that gives you an instant secure Alpha-based website (geared towards desktop browsers but with mobile-responsive public pages and navigation), but it still uses the same out-dated Alpha styles for the grids. My Framework would be greatly enhanced if I updated the styles for the grid components.
                              Steve Wood
                              See my profile on IADN

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                                #45
                                Re: My grids are so ugly

                                I am stating that the overall professional look and feel of an Alpha web application could be easier to implement and involve less tweaking than currently is needed.
                                But this is entirely subjective. What's professional looking to you will be completely different to 50 other people... so again... what's coming out of the box? What you have now is the ability for you to style the grid the way you want to. Now... you'll have to get closer to css and html than I prefer... because it's all kind of messy... but that's what the world has implemented... and that's what Alpha let's you do.

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