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  • AA Desktop and EU GDPR

    I wonder what is the situation of DBF and GDPR Compliance. Because of the sanctions and liabilities (by GDPR) I think there are now new and big risks to use dbf when handling personal or sensitive data.

    The problem here is that does a developer have resources to show that dbf fills GDPR requirements for secure database.

    After May 25, 2018 this is a reality and developer has to be sure with this problem.

  • #2
    Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

    GDPR is more about housekeeping than specific technologies.
    The ability to encrypt dbf tables exists within Alpha should a user/client feel it necessary.
    If encryption is used are dbf tables any less secure than SQL ?
    Bob Whitaker


    • #3
      Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

      I think this question is far from simple.

      Microsoft has made a good document addressing GDPR requirements with the Microsoft SQL platform.


      • #4
        Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

        @kkfin: GDPR requires you to DO a bunch of stuff. As I see it now I see no limitations in AA as of now for you to comply with any of those.
        So, where exactly are your doubts? What do you doubt can be done with AA to comply to GDPR requirements?


        • #5
          Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

          These are the categories
          - Managing access and controlling how data is used and accessed
          - Protecting personal data against security threats
          - Reporting on data protecting policies and reviewing regularity

          Of course I can do something in all these categories but to convince somebody that it is enough and done right is an other question. Do I even want to do something. Better to use something that has this all ready for use and is widely accepted.

          The sanctions and liability is just too much for wondering something.


          • #6
            Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

            Yeah, it's not that I don't see your questions, quite on the contrary (I'm CISM myself) but all of those doubts are more or less platform independent. It's what you do with the software to be compliant, not in the tooling you use.
            And yes, the GDPR requirements are fierce, and so are the fines. You have to prove you are compliant in many cases. It's not about "doing something", it's about doing "everything". Privacy by design by default.
            That's not what most of us are brought up with. And that's part of the reason this is necessary to begin with: developers have dropped the ball for years completely disrespecting the privacy of customer data. And if you keep flexing and bending stuff long enough, it will break at some point.

            I think you can do it with Alpha. But I agree with you that there is the question: "is it worth it". That's to be determined from case to case if you are the data processor, or data owner. If you are the developer and work for an employer or customer, questions are different. For many, GDPR is seen as business opportunity. A LOT of software needs to be adapted to GDPR BIG TIME.

            I speak a lot of organisations that still are not compliant with GDPR. Some even say: "Well, we understood they won't be fining in the first 2 years anyways". They forget, that GDPR already came into affect in 2016. They had 2 years time to get the job done but choose to let it rest till the very last minute and are now looking at whether enforcement is going to be in place or not. You will always have those that bend it too long until it snaps.

            If you process or own data from European citizens, you have been fairly warned. Years ago.

            I don't think there is software that "takes care of everything" (if I understood you right). Privacy needs to be implemented in the design. In the thinking, in creating the solution. Not as a last minute addition. The awareness needs to be there even before starting the design phase.


            • #7
              Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

              We are now at a crossroads. EU and USA will go separate paths. Eu will have data privacy forced by GDPR. I do not think Alpha will have time and money to do anything regarding GDPR. (This is also true for the Alpha web part of course). So everything is up to EU Alpha developers. I doubt they have time and money.

              Time and money do not have many current companies. They have stopped their service for EU customers because of GDPR. Lets see what happens in near future.

              Here are just few examples. You can read from the link why:

     --NOTE very good article

              GDPR means lot of work and brings sanctions and liabilities...and data privacy but just for EU.


              • #8
                Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                Well, there is the basic right to employ your civilization (as a country) as you want to (within limits of course). You can choose to make medical attention available to those who pay, and maybe throw some bones at those who can't. You can choose for full medical attention free of charge (Sweden, England). Choices. Life is full of them. Europeans are generally concerned about their privacy, and for good reason. History has taught us lessons about that. Not only history from decades ago but also very recent history. It keeps repeating itself UNTIL you address the problem, which is what the EU is doing. I wished they would be as forthcoming with addressing some other major issues on the table. Again: choices.

                Alpha doesn't have to do much about GDPR. The tooling is already there to address the issues. If you want to, you can. For instance, you could have had an audit trail in your Alpha apps decades ago. If you wanted to.
                It's not up to Alpha to decide whether you should, or should not, use the tooling available to comply with GDPR.

                You are an entrepreneur within a field of parameters, and you get to decide whether you want to venture within those parameters, or not. This happens all the time. Companies start and close, change markets on a daily basis. But if you want to address EU civilians/consumers as a company, you are bound by the GDPR. And if you accept to work inside that field of parameters, you CAN do so with the current Alpha products. Ask Microsoft what happens when you think you are above EU law. You simply have to make yet another choice as an entrepreneur: do I still want to venture there given what are the pros and cons in terms of cost, effort, revenues, etc ? Do you think a 500 million people market interesting enough for your product/service to engage in, given what it takes?

                By the way, I doubt there are many EU Alpha Developers. A handful maybe. Alpha is not widely known here as far as my knowledge goes. If the job-market is a sign: there are exactly zero vacancies for Alpha Developers. That is telling.


                • #9
                  Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                  Hi Fred

                  Where are you based?

                  Glen Schild

                  My Blog


                  • #10
                    Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                    I am myself based in the European Union.

                    Of course, all of us developers are also consumers, and I (like many others) have been struggling with all of those concepts that "have the best in mind for us" related to defending our values, free products, social media, and what not on the one side and the horrendous consequences to our privacy on the other side. There's virtually nothing at this moment that is not stored somewhere, be it where we are, where we came from, whom we called, what we emailed, which pages we visited, and so on, and so on. Virtually everything of our lives is stored somewhere, and that data gets stolen and abused. Whether we have given consent (aware or unaware) or not. I mean: it's time to do something about that if we want that, if we value privacy.

                    The real question is, whether it will help. Some visionairs already say, that privacy is something that will cease to exist in the near future. Totally. I don't know where all of it is going.


                    • #11
                      Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                      Well in my direct experience GDPR has ALL of my clients engaged and preparing for the 25th. If nothing else the legislation has raised the profile and therefore awareness of individual privacy.
                      Glen Schild

                      My Blog


                      • #12
                        Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                        I am myself based in the European Union.
                        Not to pick on you, but that's like me saying "I'm in the Americas".

                        By the way, I doubt there are many EU Alpha Developers. A handful maybe. Alpha is not widely known here as far as my knowledge goes. If the job-market is a sign: there are exactly zero vacancies for Alpha Developers. That is telling.
                        I guess that's true enough, but no different than lot's of RAD products. How many EU COT developers are there? How many EU Aware IM developers are there? How many EU Iron Speed developers are there? (Remember them? R.I.P.) How many EU Wakanda developers are there? (Remember them? R.I.P.) How many EU LiveCode developers are there? (Hint: I know for a fact that a year ago they had roughly 700 paid subscriptions only, which is a lot smaller than Alpha). How many EU RadZen developers are there? (Hint: 5 or 6 judging by their message board. Okay, maybe a few more than that but not very many). I could go on, but I'm beating a dead horse. You get the idea. Most RAD products have small user bases and most RAD products are unknown to people not using them.
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                        • #13
                          Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                          GDPR. I use two products for web sites. Both have issued options to gain acceptance of data usage.
                          There are lots of sites I connected with in the past, who now need my permission to keep sending me stuff. It's all about marketing.
                          My sites are as secure as they can be made given current technology, so on a "best efforts" basis, I suspect it's a lot of hype.
                          But then, we need to consider cyber attacks.
                          My web apps are managed by a very security concious company and I have the necessary firewalls. If it breaks, it breaks.
                          Ted Giles
                          Example Consulting - UK

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                          • #14
                            Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                            This is a little out of context but GDPR anyway
                            Thanks to EU this is today possible check this. Lightning fast and secure site without any extra surveillance javascript or "important" videos...Good old times..


                            • #15
                              Re: AA Desktop and EU GDPR

                              That links is only to the general USA Today site.
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