How to run multiple web sites

[bea2701]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Boy, that's clever! When you think of it, it almost seems obvious. But, of course, it is still a work-around.

The Class is object orientated simply you can make this as you want.

BTW this is the CORE of an application [broker] system.
Maybe an a idea for Alpha R&D to extend it and make it work.

Happy Easter!

Eric

[DaveM]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Finally have some of it worked out. Have a horrible cold and maybe could have gone faster.

Have 2 sites working under was now. There does not seem to be much documentation on how to do it and not rel sure I did it by the book, but it works.

I never liked the no-ip solution. Found www.cheapname.com and placed 3 domain names there(waiting for two of them to complete the transfer). They have a solution for dynamic ip adresses which I hope will work. I wuill test later.

I can direct the domain name to my port kinda like this: 111.000.122.2:8080/index.a5w and it finds it just fine. The other is 111.000.122.2:8080/index.htm(will change this soon to a5w due to need). It does not show the port it only shows the domain name like (real) www.alsiesings.com . I will give you the other one when the transfers complete.

I am beginning to be more happy with was.

There is no apache or IIs involved and using a xp pro machine. Yes I will upgrade the whole affair as soon as I have it all worked out.

Might add, I do not need the same as some of you right yet. Maybe I will get there.

Main thing for me is - IT CAN BE DONE



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[Steve Wood]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Dave,

Missed it - which solution are you using that does not show the port number? And, since each WAS only runs on one port, does that mean you are using multiple instances of the WAS, one for each port?

[DaveM]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Steve,

Missed it - which solution are you using that does not show the port number? And, since each WAS only runs on one port, does that mean you are using multiple instances of the WAS, one for each port?

I am running one instance of was. One port 8080. I have 2 applications in the webroot seperated into folders. It was a Bi... to set up but now it is easy.

By going to another computer I can type the ip+port+file.a5w and it opens that folder and app. I can't put the new dn in until they are fully transfered.

I will go live with it as soon as I have my domain names complete.

The solution to the port number is the way namecheap does the redirect.

There are 4 parts to it in namecheap:
http://www.alsiesings.com and URL Redirect
http://173.169.192.3:8080/index.a5w and URL Frame

click on www.alsiesings.com and you won't see a port number.

I will give more when tested completely.



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[DaveM]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Forgot to mention: I do have to pubish each one of them seperately.

[Steve Wood]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

I'll wait until you have the second one set up, but I am sure that means they are not properly isolated and your two applications will share session variables. But we can test. The 'way cheapnames redirect' I'm sure is to run your website in an IFrame, masking the port number in the actual IFrame. Same as how No-IP would do it.

[DaveM]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

The 'way cheapnames redirect' I'm sure is to run your website in an IFrame, masking the port number in the actual IFrame. Same as how No-IP would do it.

I would think you are correct, only I don't have 2 providers to worry about, only one. There is no extra charge for it just like the dynamic ip tools.

Steve,

I don't know about the variables part and probably won't. I won't have much of that at this point. I can understand that as a problem in what you do though. It is my belief that alpha will find a way to overcome that in the next version. Remember, I still do destop and dabbling in web with alpha. I have made many web apps over the years, but not with alpha. It is all new to me.



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[glbaird]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

A lot of work to make things not work

Not all browsers can cope with iframes

everyone seems to not get the real issue we cannot change the way networks have to operate html redirects don't work to start with The only way that has a chance is using proxy due to common network operations and conventions

I can point 100 domain names to one ip address this is common
a router can only answer one port request for each port number
----100 domain names pointing to a http port port 80 being standard and the ONLY way to get http requests to your server

Try typing www.google.com and see what happens http gets added do to the internet standards --- a domain name is not www though a true domain name is the google.com www ftp etc are cnames or aliases

back on track app server is a one port server and CAN answer requests for a few domain names I don't thinks it can really take much load maybe 25 to 50 hits

Problem in app server you cannot setup different root folders for domain names only one webroot folder and you cannot direct domain 1 to go to root 1 folder domain 2 to root 2 folder

The app server lacks these capabilities like IIS and Apache have

Different index page names will not work they are not part of a domain name so using index1.htm or index2.htm is no answer

I have worked with networking since Windows NT 3.51 came out and understand how this has to be placed together

Multiple instances of the app server is not even worth pursuing Alpha has seen to this just think about the limits of the app server and cost then look at what FREE servers can do

Think about the cost to go the next step a real sql server BIG money if you use MSSQL price it yourself

I have worked on the app server for way more hours than I should have and don't post the results here due to it being the Alpha forum ALPHA HAS PLACED THE LIMITS ON THE APP SERVER FOR A REASON more money

You want 5 app servers running then buy 5 licenses and 5 computers to run it on OR know networking and hacking Windows boxes pretty well You need a motherboard that has 5 pci slots for your nic's ----- see below

Did I forget anything oh ya 5 ip address into your home or office so each one can answer to port 80 requests

Saw a Staples office add Compaq desktop 3 gb memory 500 mb hard drive $299
Alpha might cut you a deal on 5 app server licenses
5 static ip addresses from At&t $ 70 mth Most home / small office routers can be hacked to
handle multiple ip's BUT they can only handle one use of a port number

Apache proxy is as close as you will ever get to make it work without the above.

Eelriver Networks
established 1998 after 5 years apprenticeship

[madtowng]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

I'll wait until you have the second one set up, but I am sure that means they are not properly isolated and your two applications will share session variables. But we can test. The 'way cheapnames redirect' I'm sure is to run your website in an IFrame, masking the port number in the actual IFrame. Same as how No-IP would do it.

I'm curious now.

My understanding is that session variables are created when a session is initiated, and destroyed when the session is ended (or the lifetime of the variable has expired).

Is your concern that a user, properly logged in, could wander into what should be a separate website/application ?

[DaveM]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Steve,

from namecheap:
The URL Frame is similar to URL Redirect except that instead of redirecting the client to your web page, the web page is displayed in a frame from our web server.
With this method the client's browser will display your domain name (for example: www.mydomain.com) while they are using your site and not the actual URL to your page (For example: home.infospace.com/user33").

[glbaird]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Steve,

from namecheap:
The URL Frame is similar to URL Redirect except that instead of redirecting the client to your web page, the web page is displayed in a frame from our web server.
With this method the client's browser will display your domain name (for example: www.mydomain.com) while they are using your site and not the actual URL to your page (For example: home.infospace.com/user33").

Dave

why not just use a html redirect I don't want you to get mad but I have posted the only method on this thread that even comes close to working THE app server is not a web server it lacks many features to be one IT is Alpha's a5w server

If you are not running any web server like IIS PWS or Apache why not just put app server on port 80 to start with

Read the info on SME server it will run on very little and proxy out of it to your app server YOU have control and it also has a full mail server with webmail and mysql server In five or six years my SME box has went down every time the power has went out other than that it never gets rebooted

Greg

[Steve Wood]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

I agree with what Greg B. has said in the last couple posts.

Gregg S. - about sharing session vars between applications. This has been discussed and tested a lot on this forum. If you run site.com/folder1 and site.com/folder2 on the same WAS, same port and IP, they will share session variables. Pretty sure this is true even if they are in an IFrame. That means, guy 1 logs into folder1 app, whatever session var are set for him, exist for him (on the same computer/browser) in the folder2 application. That would include the significant session.__protected__ulink (the security framework user id). BUT that doesn't necessarily mean folder1 app guy has complete access to the folder2 app. Jerry would have to correct me but I think that IF the security GUID (supposed to be unique between apps) is different on folder1 app and folder2 app, then they are not technically logged in to folder2 just because they are logged in to folder1.

Confusing stuff, just assume that you cannot trust a two-application structure of site.com/folder1 and site.com/folder2* if the IP and port are are the same, and not running this under Apache, e.g. ISOLATED, etc.

[kkfin]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

I have worked on the app server for way more hours than I should have and don't post the results here due to it being the Alpha forum ALPHA HAS PLACED THE LIMITS ON THE APP SERVER FOR A REASON more money

In last December Alpha did ask us in they New Survey : "How important/attractive it would be if Alpha were to add support for Microsoft IIS as a platform for deploying Web Apps?"

The conclusion I have from this is that they can do it if they(=we) want. So wake up everybody. They(=we) can use IIS if they(=we) decide to do so.

The short time (before they password protected it) an actual Alphapedia user and I could see the section What new in Version 11 (yes 11 no X1) there where a header something like this : enhancements in Application Server. Unfortunately there was just this header and no content yet.

Conclusions:
1. Was will be in version 11.
2. They have not yet decided what to do with Was version 11.
3. Question raises do they even have resources to make it better?

On the other hand why they just don't add some feature packs to WAS to make it better. Wouldn't that be nice.

(And we would all know that we could use IIS if Alpha just would let as use it)

[glbaird]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Hello again

A thought for the high end app server gurus What happens when security gets uploaded

Does it go into the webroot folder or can it be put into
root1 folder
root2 folder and so on

also what about using security groups
member of
root1
root2 etc

also I don't know about session variables operation
are they per browser request LIKE cookies work ie: cookies are per request from each person that logs into a site like ebay or
amazon

session variables seen to be the only hangup at this point
and the 2 common web ports 80 & 443

IIS may be the way Alpha goes but it has always had weak points
No proxy ability until IIS 7 which is in Server 2008
and the PWS version can only operate 1 website

Greg

[madtowng]

Re: How to run multiple web sites

Would the following have the desired effect ?
Desired effect: secure communication between client and server without having to duplicate the application.


instance 1
uses port 80
ip address 192.168.0.1
webroot c:\a5webroot


instance 2
uses port 443
ip address 192.168.0.1
webroot c:\a5webroot