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  • 3523 .... lots of issues

    Just wanted to let people know that I loaded the 2736-3523 build not thinking anything of it and my whole Alpha world turned upside down again!! After a couple of heated releases in the past, I thought Alpha was content to not use the user community as a Beta pool .... or at least let us know when they are!! Now, some will say .... if you noticed a problem you should have backed off. Well, I only program in Alpha from time to time .... so, at first, I always think its me. After many hours of testing and re-coding looking for ways around speratic issues with my form, backed down to 2659-3515 and things seem to have stabalized. Obviously not everything is going to be rosey .... new patches must have been put out for a reason.

    Now ..... Im also going to hear, 'did you turn in bug reports' ... after I fix up my application and make sure things are what they need to be for my users, I will go back and try to isolate the issues and report.

    A bit about what I was experiencing ..... base queries where being lost .... filters where acting up .... forms where becoming unstable going from design to form view ... and thats just some of what I was seeing ......

    Hope this helps people that think they are going crazy ..... I would stay away from 2736-3523 until it gets worked out.

    Glenn

    Some other things .... when re-sorting based on 2 different sort buttons, after sorting one way and then the other a number of times .... data in dropdown contols becom corrupted .... does not happen with 3515
    Last edited by peterg000; 02-09-2010, 01:58 PM. Reason: Additional Info

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    Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

    Peter

    The only was that it is going to get sorted out, is when you find a specific item that is reproducible (get confirmation from this forum) or are able to get the same "bug" (error) using the Alpha Sports Sample is to send that "Bug Report" to Alpha.

    What I do when new patches come out, I don't load it onto my working copy (the one I am using as that juncture) but load in on to an alpha V10 copy that I call Partches working. And then I use a copy of the app that I want to work on (to see if there are "bugs")

    But again if there is something specific that you could send Alpha then get confirmation and then do it - it would really help a lot of people, just knowing what the specific item was.

    "Lot of issues" won't get you help - specifics will.

    Post a sample to the forum and let others look at your app and see if they can get the same "error" or issue. You can strip down you app so that there is no sensitive information or just dummy info. You will get a lot of help.

    Everyone here will be glad to help.

    I haven't had a chance to work with the Feb 2 build, was going to try this weekend (to much snow this weekend to try - out shoveling).

    Tom Baker

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      Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

      Tom ..... your 100% correct in your technique for testing patches. .... and when I have time, I will try and doc the bugs I have seen and send in ... this is really time driven. With that said, my intent here is just to warn people that there are problems with 3523 that cause app problems in areas you might have thought where solid. In my opinion, 3523 shouldnt be used until more solid release comes out .... breaks things it shouldnt even go near. But hey, just my opinion .... :)

      Glenn

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        Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

        Anybody else having issies with 3523?

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          Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

          I seem to remember several posts regarding issues with this build....and warnings from them prior to your posting in fact.....
          Mike
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            Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

            Mike .... most of them seemed to talk around the edges, but I get your point. So everyone is in agreement 3523 is not a stable release? Does anyone have any feedback as to whether Alpha knows this?

            Glenn

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              Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

              I am only using the web features of this application and so far I have not had any issues with this build. I installed it because I wanted to submit a bug report (Script crashes when you use a field that has a value with a comma ex 'Joes Pool Hall, Inc.' in it to filter a cacading combo box field).

              The message said i did not have the current build and i should install it and see if the issue persists. I Installed it like a good alpha customer should and the issue I was having still exists.

              I have not had any other problems that I am aware of. All of the pages approx 10 woohoo still work fine. There are a few other things happening that don't make sense to me, mostly because I still don't understand what is happening in the background. The desktop to the web is a tough leap.

              System:
              Vista 64 up to date on workstation.
              Vista 64 w/Sql Express 2008 on a remote IIS / ALPHA server.
              Win 10 64 Development, Win 7 64 WAS 11-1, 2, Win 10 64 AA-1,2, MySql, dbForge Studio The Best MySQL GUI Tool IMHO. http://www.devart.com/dbforge/mysql/studio/

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                Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                Frank .... thats exactly it ... stuff in the background .... you just dont know until you run over it. Also ... the web stuff might not show up the same issues that are popping up on the Desktop side. Im almost certain in the latest release if you use a basequery and then run a custom query then show-all from controls on your form ... you lose the base query. This is some drastic stuff as to how a form would work. Im going to try and setup a test system this weekend to run through some of these issues and document if I can.

                Thanks for the feedback Frank ......

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                  Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                  I'm interested in Tom's approach of quarantining new patches. He loads them "on to an alpha V10 copy that I call Patches working."

                  Question: Is it possible to have a working and test version of A5 on the same machine, or are 2 machines required?

                  Thanks.

                  -Kurt (perspective user)

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                    Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                    Glad to hear I'm not going insane.

                    I connect to postgres and advantage database backends and was trying to create sql queries using the querie genie and import and boy was it misbehaving.

                    I would create a querie in the genie and preview the records and all appeared well; as soon as I saved the active link I would get an argument error. Could not get it to work; Also, in the genie if I went back to modify something it would flip out, trash my filter and complain about the where cause being incomplete.

                    At first I thought it was my filter as it uses a function that connects to an active x control i wrote to convert a date to ticks found in ms's .net framework. Again, it previews fine but craps out in the end.

                    I was also trying to modify a set that was created in v8 and v10 kept complaining about a corrupt set.

                    I don't even know what a stable version of v10 is and if anyone has had any stability with a desktop environment I'd sure like to know which one it is.
                    Creating Healthcare Work-Flow Solutions Since 2005

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                      Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                      Kurt,
                      From what I know .... you can have both versions running on your system. Remember, backups are your friend!!

                      Sorry .. thought you were talking about running different versions on same computer. Even easier with same version ... just make a development directory and run your develpment/testing from there. Only disclaimer there is that you dont have any non-standard directory re-direction going on in your app.

                      Glenn

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                        Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                        FYI, There is a FREE download from Microsoft called Virtual PC that will allow you to run a virtual pc in a window. There is another FREE program from VmWare that does the same thing with more features. Seems to me that this might help some of you in your concerns about development isolation.
                        Win 10 64 Development, Win 7 64 WAS 11-1, 2, Win 10 64 AA-1,2, MySql, dbForge Studio The Best MySQL GUI Tool IMHO. http://www.devart.com/dbforge/mysql/studio/

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                          Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                          FREE download from Microsoft called Virtual PC that will allow you to run a virtual pc in a window
                          You're making this sound like a totally free situation when, in fact, you will need an additional Windows license for whatever OS you run in the virtual machine....just want to make sure readers are aware of this aspect.
                          Mike
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                          It is only when we forget all our learning that we begin to know.
                          It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
                          Henry David Thoreau
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                            Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                            I don't think you have to have an additional license. I never had an activation problem with virual PC.
                            Win 10 64 Development, Win 7 64 WAS 11-1, 2, Win 10 64 AA-1,2, MySql, dbForge Studio The Best MySQL GUI Tool IMHO. http://www.devart.com/dbforge/mysql/studio/

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                              Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                              The additional OS license, not a virtual license is what I am referring to. If you are running Windows7 as primary. Then have a VM and load in say XP. You would have to have a license for XP.....or Win98....or Windows7 as a second copy........

                              If you have the following versions of Win7 then one license of XP is included.
                              If you are running Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise or Ultimate, you get one licensed Windows XP for free with XP mode. Any other OS needs to be licensed indivudually, whether this runs on hardware or in a VM is not relevant.
                              Mike
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                              It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
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