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    #16
    Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

    Well, by increasing memory and uising multiple cores, you will handle more than without, that's for sure.

    However, I was talking to Finian about this, and he said he feels that you will still be limited to the number of concurrent users.
    The best thing is to just jump from 4 to 12 GIGs memory, and distribute the users, and track the results. And then go from there.
    What did you find out from your hoster about cores and memory?
    Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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      #17
      Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

      My hosting provider is www.goiwx.com recommends I do not select cores. They have server software that balances the server.

      They also are not recommending that I increase memory, as the current 4 gig is seldom half used.
      I think I'll just order 12 gig to give it a try. Seems the easiest way to proceed.

      Wish someone would say they have 50 users on one server with 20 gigs of ram.

      ~ Tom

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        #18
        Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

        I don't agree - they don't understand that Alpha is a singlethreaded app that will put all users on the same core - which is why they now let you assign cores.

        Finian and I found that on a client's server, with 184 GIGS of memory and 24 cores, they were all running on core 15. It is a very sophisticated server with load balancing, etc.
        Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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          #19
          Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

          I get very quick ideas/opinions when I search. If I find a place with no prices, I usually leave quick. When I go to a hosting service and it is slow, I am done.

          I would nopt go to that sight again.
          Dave Mason
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            #20
            Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

            Originally posted by Tom Patten View Post
            My hosting provider is www.goiwx.com recommends I do not select cores. They have server software that balances the server.

            They also are not recommending that I increase memory, as the current 4 gig is seldom half used.
            I think I'll just order 12 gig to give it a try. Seems the easiest way to proceed.

            Wish someone would say they have 50 users on one server with 20 gigs of ram.

            ~ Tom
            To fully unlock the value of your multi-core processors, you might wanna look at virtualization and form a resource-pool to allocate the resources dynamically.
            You could play around a bit with more virtual servers on 1 hardware pool and see how you can balance the resources on the one side and the users/RT on the other side.

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              #21
              Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

              Marcel, Tom has no runtime on the client side - only a shrtcut to open T/S
              Nothing occurs on the client machine except keystrokes sent, and screen refreshed received.
              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                #22
                Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

                Yes, I understand Martin. But that has the consequence that he will not be able to fully take advantage of the multicore power, more general, his resource pool. So, hence the idea to go and virtualize the setup. Of course, virtualization also takes resources so therein lies the need for some testing. Although it is pretty sure that the server(s) will not yield much more processing power IF they are poorly empowered to begin with, there is good chance that if you have a modern very powerful server (or better a few powerful servers, even an older multi socket server, or a few blades) you could vastly improve your overall performance by reshuffling the complete arsenal of the server to deliver to more virtual instances.

                Let's say you have 1 thick server.
                You could emulate having 2 TS servers on that each serving half of the original number of users.
                Advantage would be, that you can manipulate the resources (under which all of the processor cores) to equally be shared by both TS Servers.
                Your total performance would be almost doubled (consider overhead).

                This type of solutions really all depends on what resources are in the pool to begin with. If you have your server with a hosting provider, it is very well worth while asking whether you have a physical server or not. Mostly, if you don't specifically opt for a physical server, you will most probably have a virtual server and the big advantage of THAT would be, that generally the hosting provider will be able to assign more resources to your virtual setup with just a few mouse clicks.....

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                  #23
                  Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

                  I am just amazed by this thread. Evidently if there is a problem the best solution is to throw money at it or to arbitrarily change settings until you see improvement. First and foremost with a Terminal Server setup (as well as any other setup) is to run metrics and identify where the bottlenecks are happening.

                  Microsoft has tools built into the OS that will help you to begin pinpointing where your bottlenecks are. Upgrading memory or CPU will not fix a upload/download bandwidth issue, nor will it fix slow disk access times. Your issue could also be related to a bad design in the database. For all we know the issue could even be on the client side well outside of your control.

                  Point being everything up until now has been shots in the dark (with some misunderstanding of how a terminal server setup works).

                  Step 1 is to run metrics on your system to identify the bottleneck. Once your bottleneck is pinpointed then you can begin discussing what needs to change to remove the bottleneck.
                  Andrew

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                    #24
                    Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

                    Having a bad day, Schone?

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                      #25
                      Re: Terminal Services - maximum users

                      Nope, just don't like to see bad advice being thrown out.
                      Andrew

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